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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2007/10/quote-of-the-day-sully-is-officially-no-longer-serious-thank-reason#comment-15090</link>
		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question to the Washington press corps: why on earth do intelligent adults sit through sessions with that mouthpiece day after day? Why don't they all just get up and walk out? 

Every country gets to interpret the Geneva Conventions as it likes ... that'll work, eh? How much do you have to pay people to say things that stupid and that evil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question to the Washington press corps: why on earth do intelligent adults sit through sessions with that mouthpiece day after day? Why don&#8217;t they all just get up and walk out? </p>
<p>Every country gets to interpret the Geneva Conventions as it likes &#8230; that&#8217;ll work, eh? How much do you have to pay people to say things that stupid and that evil?</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we paid an awfully heavy price for doing what's needed to be done for hundreds/thousands of years and got precious little appreciation for it. 40 years o' that kin make yah a mite techy. Long as you know what you got yourself into....

Personally, I blame Sloan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we paid an awfully heavy price for doing what&#8217;s needed to be done for hundreds/thousands of years and got precious little appreciation for it. 40 years o&#8217; that kin make yah a mite techy. Long as you know what you got yourself into&#8230;.</p>
<p>Personally, I blame Sloan.</p>
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		<title>By: matttbastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>matttbastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, lightheartedly poke a boomer and suddenly the conversation becomes all about them.

I blame Dr. Spock.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, lightheartedly poke a boomer and suddenly the conversation becomes all about them.</p>
<p>I blame Dr. Spock.</p>
<p> <img src='http://commentsfromleftfield.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Am still (relatively) young; hopefully my generation can undo the mess your contemporaries left us.&lt;/i&gt;

Ouch.

I will only remind you that that "mess" includes ending Jim Crow (the reason Republicans won back the South and rose up again), &lt;b&gt;ending&lt;/b&gt; an illegal and pointless war based on a lie and a bogus theory of "national security" (the reason the Right blames the Left for America's first military defeat) by going into the streets and creating havoc to make people listen (which, so far, few in your generation seem willing to do), ending the millenia-old repression and ghetto-ization of women, and re-animating the whole concept of participatory democracy after nearly 2 decades of conservative "shut up and do as you're told" oppression (a period Studs Terkel once described as one where people were allowed "to talk about babies and money and not much else").

I realize you were joking - the winking smiley-face was a dead giveaway - but I thought it was important to remind you - andf everyone else who makes fun of us - that if you are anywhere near as successful as we were:

a) you'll be doing pretty well, 
b) you'll be hated for the rest of your life for it by the people who lost because you won, and
c) 40 years later some smart-aleck kid will come along saying how you fucked it all up and everything that's happened since is all your fault but they'll clean up your "mess" for you.

When that day comes, you will, I hope, take it as I'm taking it: proof that we did well enough that smart-aleck kids don't think twice about assuming they can improve on it. Had we not done what we did, there would be so much for you to do that you'd be overwhelmed and most likely hiding out in your home bomb-shelter with the covers pulled over your head.

Say "Thank you".  8-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Am still (relatively) young; hopefully my generation can undo the mess your contemporaries left us.</i></p>
<p>Ouch.</p>
<p>I will only remind you that that &#8220;mess&#8221; includes ending Jim Crow (the reason Republicans won back the South and rose up again), <b>ending</b> an illegal and pointless war based on a lie and a bogus theory of &#8220;national security&#8221; (the reason the Right blames the Left for America&#8217;s first military defeat) by going into the streets and creating havoc to make people listen (which, so far, few in your generation seem willing to do), ending the millenia-old repression and ghetto-ization of women, and re-animating the whole concept of participatory democracy after nearly 2 decades of conservative &#8220;shut up and do as you&#8217;re told&#8221; oppression (a period Studs Terkel once described as one where people were allowed &#8220;to talk about babies and money and not much else&#8221;).</p>
<p>I realize you were joking - the winking smiley-face was a dead giveaway - but I thought it was important to remind you - andf everyone else who makes fun of us - that if you are anywhere near as successful as we were:</p>
<p>a) you&#8217;ll be doing pretty well,<br />
b) you&#8217;ll be hated for the rest of your life for it by the people who lost because you won, and<br />
c) 40 years later some smart-aleck kid will come along saying how you fucked it all up and everything that&#8217;s happened since is all your fault but they&#8217;ll clean up your &#8220;mess&#8221; for you.</p>
<p>When that day comes, you will, I hope, take it as I&#8217;m taking it: proof that we did well enough that smart-aleck kids don&#8217;t think twice about assuming they can improve on it. Had we not done what we did, there would be so much for you to do that you&#8217;d be overwhelmed and most likely hiding out in your home bomb-shelter with the covers pulled over your head.</p>
<p>Say &#8220;Thank you&#8221;.  <img src='http://commentsfromleftfield.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: matttbastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>matttbastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Which, judging by voter apathy, lack of party participation, etc, is growing.&lt;/em&gt; As in, the realization that reform is needed.

Gah.  Coffee.  Stat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Which, judging by voter apathy, lack of party participation, etc, is growing.</em> As in, the realization that reform is needed.</p>
<p>Gah.  Coffee.  Stat.</p>
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		<title>By: PeBoVision</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeBoVision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7 years of this blatantly corrupt administration does not afford the American people the right to feign disbelief. As a non-American, I just don't buy it anymore.

Short of mass hypnosis (FOX news?), there's no way an entire populace can be so totally oblivious!

It's time to ACT....before your complacency suggests complicity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7 years of this blatantly corrupt administration does not afford the American people the right to feign disbelief. As a non-American, I just don&#8217;t buy it anymore.</p>
<p>Short of mass hypnosis (FOX news?), there&#8217;s no way an entire populace can be so totally oblivious!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to ACT&#8230;.before your complacency suggests complicity!</p>
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		<title>By: matttbastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>matttbastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't believe you're wrong, either, but I'm also not willing to succumb to the inevitable, either.  The more the ruling class' disconnect from the public is exposed, the better.  And if a groundswell of support for impeachment is ignored, there is strategic advantage for the future. The American people need to realize the system is broken, and has been for some time. Which, judging by voter apathy, lack of party participation, etc, is growing.  The next step is transforming that sentiment into action.  And not symbolic gestures. 

Grant me my idealistic pragmatism, Mick. Am still (relatively) young; hopefully my generation can undo the mess your contemporaries left us.  Gonna damn sure try.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re wrong, either, but I&#8217;m also not willing to succumb to the inevitable, either.  The more the ruling class&#8217; disconnect from the public is exposed, the better.  And if a groundswell of support for impeachment is ignored, there is strategic advantage for the future. The American people need to realize the system is broken, and has been for some time. Which, judging by voter apathy, lack of party participation, etc, is growing.  The next step is transforming that sentiment into action.  And not symbolic gestures. </p>
<p>Grant me my idealistic pragmatism, Mick. Am still (relatively) young; hopefully my generation can undo the mess your contemporaries left us.  Gonna damn sure try.</p>
<p> <img src='http://commentsfromleftfield.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, matt, but they aren't going to. It ain't gonna happen. The tactic works because the Democrats allow it to work, because they &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; it to work, and they want it to work because they're on the same page as the Pubs. 

Whether you believe, as I do, that there's very little difference between Red authoritarians and Blue authoritarians, or you buy into the notion that the Dems are pandering to a fear they ought to be attacking, no longer matters. The end result is the same. Glenn Greenwald said it yesterday: the Dems will do NOTHING. Impeachment is "off the table" (Pelosi), and in fact the Congress has been busily covering Bush's ass for him with the MCA vote, the FISA vote, and their refusal to demand accountability for the torture memos.

There will be no impeachment. If I'm right, there will be no impeachment even if millions are marching in the streets, swamping Congress with telephone calls and letters demanding it, or giving massive support to pro-impeachment pols and challengers. Oh, they'll do the Kabuki. They'll talk tough, they'll make promises, then they'll make excuses and somehow nothing will ever get done except more support for whatever he wants.

The Donkeys want the same powers for their president that Bush has taken for himself, probably for pretty much the same reasons. No political group ever renounces a power once it's been accepted. The genie's out of the bottle and they have no intention of putting it back, not when it will be at their beck-and-call in a very short 18 months. Impeachment would force them to renounce powers they want for themselves, for - of course - all the &lt;b&gt;best&lt;/b&gt; reasons. Therefore, there will be no impeachment. Ever.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm afraid I'm not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, matt, but they aren&#8217;t going to. It ain&#8217;t gonna happen. The tactic works because the Democrats allow it to work, because they <i>want</i> it to work, and they want it to work because they&#8217;re on the same page as the Pubs. </p>
<p>Whether you believe, as I do, that there&#8217;s very little difference between Red authoritarians and Blue authoritarians, or you buy into the notion that the Dems are pandering to a fear they ought to be attacking, no longer matters. The end result is the same. Glenn Greenwald said it yesterday: the Dems will do NOTHING. Impeachment is &#8220;off the table&#8221; (Pelosi), and in fact the Congress has been busily covering Bush&#8217;s ass for him with the MCA vote, the FISA vote, and their refusal to demand accountability for the torture memos.</p>
<p>There will be no impeachment. If I&#8217;m right, there will be no impeachment even if millions are marching in the streets, swamping Congress with telephone calls and letters demanding it, or giving massive support to pro-impeachment pols and challengers. Oh, they&#8217;ll do the Kabuki. They&#8217;ll talk tough, they&#8217;ll make promises, then they&#8217;ll make excuses and somehow nothing will ever get done except more support for whatever he wants.</p>
<p>The Donkeys want the same powers for their president that Bush has taken for himself, probably for pretty much the same reasons. No political group ever renounces a power once it&#8217;s been accepted. The genie&#8217;s out of the bottle and they have no intention of putting it back, not when it will be at their beck-and-call in a very short 18 months. Impeachment would force them to renounce powers they want for themselves, for - of course - all the <b>best</b> reasons. Therefore, there will be no impeachment. Ever.</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong but I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: matttbastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>matttbastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there's nothing new here. Hardly the first time I've blogged on the matter, nor will it be the last.  

Which should make plain why impeachment is imperative, and has been for quite some time, even if not politically expedient.  

Mick lays out the pragmatic case for impeachment succinctly: "The tactic has worked, and it continues to work." Congress has not only the power but the &lt;i&gt;duty&lt;/i&gt; to quit enabling this criminal administration, even if the two-faced beltway Heathers in the MSM are almost guaranteed to buy out every goddamn fainting couch in the fucking greater DC area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there&#8217;s nothing new here. Hardly the first time I&#8217;ve blogged on the matter, nor will it be the last.  </p>
<p>Which should make plain why impeachment is imperative, and has been for quite some time, even if not politically expedient.  </p>
<p>Mick lays out the pragmatic case for impeachment succinctly: &#8220;The tactic has worked, and it continues to work.&#8221; Congress has not only the power but the <i>duty</i> to quit enabling this criminal administration, even if the two-faced beltway Heathers in the MSM are almost guaranteed to buy out every goddamn fainting couch in the fucking greater DC area.</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac's right. There's nothing new about this. Gonzo said virtually the same thing a couple of years ago, John Yoo has been saying it for even longer than that. What's more, it isn't just this. The whole of Bush's tenure, everyone in this Admin has relied on illusion and semantics replacing reality in order to stay out of jail and they've been successful. The tactic has worked, and it continues to work. It's childish, the kind of trick kids try to play on teachers in elementary school and on their patents all through adolescence, but we have apparently decided to swallow it whole rather than face the alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac&#8217;s right. There&#8217;s nothing new about this. Gonzo said virtually the same thing a couple of years ago, John Yoo has been saying it for even longer than that. What&#8217;s more, it isn&#8217;t just this. The whole of Bush&#8217;s tenure, everyone in this Admin has relied on illusion and semantics replacing reality in order to stay out of jail and they&#8217;ve been successful. The tactic has worked, and it continues to work. It&#8217;s childish, the kind of trick kids try to play on teachers in elementary school and on their patents all through adolescence, but we have apparently decided to swallow it whole rather than face the alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Macswain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macswain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the definition of "torture" being used by the Bushies is only determined in the negative.  Anything we have done or will do is not torture.

They've simply been playing a game of semantics all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the definition of &#8220;torture&#8221; being used by the Bushies is only determined in the negative.  Anything we have done or will do is not torture.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve simply been playing a game of semantics all along.</p>
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