Especially since he has proved everyone wrong and is now our new president elect.

OBAMA FOR THE WIN!!!!

I went off-topic, to a broad discussion of the foreseeable months in the national election, because your post was typical: long and boring. In fact, it appears if I hadn’t posted, nobody would have. Pretty typical.

Macboob, you are so predictable in your juvenile stupidity that I just ignore you. However, i will indulge you:

I. “The Bush administration is starving for good news out of Iraq, and it may finally have some: new U.S. government statistics showing that violent attacks of all kinds are down to levels not seen since 2005.”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/57358

II. BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Mazen Majid Abd quit the Iraqi police last year after Sunni Islamist militants overran his neighborhood in Baghdad and threatened him. But as a U.S. drive to quell violence starts to pay off, he’s joining up again.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3736418

III. “Arab Jabour was a safe haven for al-Qaida before the 2nd BCT entered the area; no Coalition presence or Iraqi security forces had been there since the conflict began over four years ago.

However, Adgie said the tide is turning, crediting in part the Concerned Local Citizens (CLC) program in the area, who now number 699.

Displaced citizens are beginning to return to the area, bringing back specialists like doctors and engineers, Adgie said.”

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14953&Itemid=1

IV. “The decline of violence rests on a widening basis of trust. It’s cultivated in handshakes, platters heaped with rice, chicken and lamb, cup after cup of sweet tea and clouds of cigarette smoke.

Anbar is a sprawling western province that includes Ramadi and stretches through mainly desert from near Baghdad to the borders of Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. ”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7030940,00.html

V. “The Iraqi government and the coalition commanders have now agreed that Basra province should move to provincial Iraqi control in mid-December,” he told reporters, citing an improving security situation in Iraq and the increasing ability of Iraqi forces and government institutions to handle their own security.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21559480/

Finally, earlier this year I posted here that once the various sheiks realized that they would lose all of their power, Sunni and Shiia alike, should the US pull out too early, in defeat, they would strike out to cut deals. In fact, I called them little Al Capones (I liked that).

If the deals are being cut, violence down, and the populace can return to any sense of normalcy, THAT will save Iraq as a nation-state.

My earlier post stands: the surge is working (not over yet) and positive change is occuring.

Keep reading only far-left blogs and periodicals, it makes these debates too easy.

I’m tired of going off topic, I’m tired of spamming, I’m tired of arguments not being made in good faith. You want a discussion on taxes? Wait until we write up a topic about taxes, or, at least until we are talking about the economy. Iraq, wait until we get something on Iraq.

As it stands, this is a pure horse race article, and yet somehow, I come into this thread and all I see is taxes and Iraq? What the fuck?

And before you talk about the significance of taxes in regard to the heart of the source article, there is none. Even from an objective point of view, the primary concern for the Democratic party is foreign policy, bar none. And it is a virtual impossibility that the state of things in our current foreign policies will change significantly enough over the next nine weeks when Democratic voters go to choose a nominee that, so taxes are not in play here.

Not at all.

First, you post a slogan – “the surge is working” – without providing any factual support or substantive argument. Then when challenged, you resort to name calling – kooks and nuts – again without any factual support or substantive argument for your contention.

You apparently have no response to my argument that we are turning over vast portions of Iraq to the new Saddams. The Anbar Awakening is one example where local control is being handed over to warlords and Southern Iraq is another.

Of course, this same result could have been obtained years ago. Hell, we could reach this point without the invasion altogether.

So please, enlighten us children as to how exactly the surge is working?

Sometimes, its just too easy debating you nuts.

Call me when adults show up here.

*sigh*

But, hey, I know the Right is desperate to spin a “victory” and really doesn’t care about all the dead. The plan of 1,000 Saddams apparently is OK with the Right.

The main issue down the road may well be the economy. If the US is in a recession or, at the very least, the populace feels we are, that could be the hot issue.

Which leads me to the next item: Charlie Rangel’s massive tax increase proposal. Could be that the population will vote on whether or not they feel higher taxes, during a period of economic strife, is the best tonic.

’cause no matter what you call it – tax the rich, pay their fare share, etc – if small business owners have to pay onerous tax increases, they will not hire anyone.

Or, they may reduce their payrolls.

Food for thought.