William

Here is an authentic demonstration — believed to have been leaked by the military:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEejbqfHs80

Follow the steps closely.

Please leave the affairs of security of this country to the men.

Intelligent conversation……you are too funny.

You bend everything you read and say into what you want. I can tell that already. And shouldnt be allowed anywhere near a military installation.

And your arguments are petty. Just like your rank.

You want an answer, and you exercise your free speech that you have done nothing to gain or defend. Well, here it is. What the military has done and still does is protect your right to be a negitive about everything we do.

I really do hope someday that you see the big picture.

I’ll have you know that I’m currently a civillian working in the Department of the Navy after serving ten years as a Petty Officer in the Navy. No, I’m no lawyer.

Unfortunately, though I’ve built a thick skin to where your insults don’t really bother me much, I find myself a little disappointed that I’ve wasted a great deal of my time because I thought this would be an argument in good faith.

I’m not asking you a single one of these questions because I want you to do my leg work for me, and in fact, I’ll have you know that I’ve done most of the leg work myself, including reading several books on the subject (the author of one of those books I still keep in touch with from time to time), as well as spending a good portion of my time keeping abreast on current affairs and reading relevent articles. I’m not going to claim I’m the most knowledgable person on the subject, but I do believe that I’ve earned the right to not be treated as though I’m winging it.

No, I asked you the questions because I’ve delivered the same arguments over and over, and come up with nothing. So I was hoping that through decent conversation it might be possible to get a better result. But I’m afraid while my excursions into excercising my free speech doesn’t pay me, it takes up far too much of my time for me to waste having an intelligent conversation with someone who isn’t.

Come now……lets delve into each others souls.

You know your a beaten man. A coward hiding behind a book of laws. And we all know a lawyers ethics. I’m really surprised at you giving up.

DFTT coming at this point doesnt surprise me. Easy way out huh?

Assuming we do what you liberals want…..let me know if the next mall bombing catches your family in it.

William

Let me guess…..civil rights? Maybe NAACP?

You have to have something….Man up.

Democrats are liberal sissies. If the concerns of the US were left up to you we would all be wearing flowers in our hair and getting our butts kicked.

As I was Christmas shopping today. Oh, let me say that Christmas is about Jesus being born to save the world. I bet that offends you also. Did I say I hate gays and hispanics? Well I do. I also hate terrorists and if it means torturing all of them to keep my kids safe I dont mind at all if they are in discomfort. If you dont like America please leave. It would be a better place without you whiners here.

Its all about human rights…..well the normal white, straight families are the minority now if you havent noticed. Screw the muslims. Being a lawyer and all, what this country is coming too probably hasnt hit home to you yet as the mexicans and probably terrorists are pouring across the border. But not in your gated community I bet.

In closing…..lets stop torture and trying to find out anything. Assuming you have kids would some low life terrorist be worth your child getting blown up at the mall? I know your answer. FFS let them go home.

One of these days I will learn. dftt

Torture is used because it works. Its well documented. I dont have the time to go look it up for you. You seem fairly smart so do it yourself with google. As far as making torture illegal….well they just may on paper. But you can be certain that it will go on anyway. The only reason they are saying (illegal) is so to satisfy democrats and sissies.

And as far as your reply to if was you on the spot. I promise you that you would give me facts. You would not just tell me what I wanted to hear. Because your falmilies lives would be at stake as well as your own. And there are methods that are foolproof to get information. You havent scratched the surface with water boarding. Actually water boarding would be at the bottom of the list I’m talking about.

National security……..Yours as well as mine….depends on what the MEN of this country do. I listen to your rambling and realize that I’m glad its them doing the job and not yourself. You would probably hand them flowers and hug them like some 1960′s hippy.

As far as jihadists who truly believe in what they are doing….even they will break. Its that simple.

Oh and what I said about them hating the western world…..You really have to be crazy to ask me why they hate us and then say WARNING…I wont take our freedoms as an answer. News flash for you. THEY HATE EVERYONE THAT EVERYONE! THEY CANT EVEN AGREE WITH FELLOW MUSLIMS.

Hows that? Wake up and realize these things. And also thats its only you and I discussing your article. Do you actually make money from writing your opinions? If so, well you and I both will starve.

In this light, I answer your question easily. I tell you what I think you want to hear. As an innocent person, I would first of course tell you I know nothing, regardless of if you torture me or not. If that does not satisfy you, and you begin to torture me, or employ psychological torture (for the record, many of the techniques I am strictly opposed to are just as bad as psychological torture as they are physical torture), I still know nothing. Likely, you are going to think I’m lying, and will continue to torture because your goal is to get an answer, not no answer, that’s the point, isn’t it?

Thus, at that juncture, I would be forced into a position where in order to get the torture to end, I would have to make something up, preferably something that fits into the realm of what you are looking for.

As someone with information, the game doesn’t get much simpler, particularly for those who are jihadists who truly believe in what they are doing. Again, believable lies or real intel that is comparably insignificant is much more likely than the hardhitting stuff.

But, you asked a question, and I answered. I would tell you want you wanted to hear, not necessarily the truth. And this is me, I’m pretty wimpy.

Your second set of inquiries, however, were merely just mine redirected back to me. Again, I would ask that you actually answer them, and with them I will add this new question from your comments. You say they hate the Western World. Why, do you suppose, that might be? Warning, I will not take our freedoms as an answer.

William

Torture…tried and true. Sure it is. If it wasnt it would not still be used. Allowed in our society. Sure it is. You dont see everything that goes on in an interrogation room at the police department. Torture is by no means limited to a beating. Lets look at pschological torture. Think about it. If you were tied up and I said I was going to kill your wife and kids if you didnt tell me what I wanted to know, and your information had better be valid…..what would you say? Would you tell me what I wanted to hear or the facts?

As far as attacking again. What do you think? Do you actually think they wouldnt if they had the chance? I dont believe that they will love the US if we just set them free. They hate the western world. But you know that.

The second aspect is the idea that these detainees are most certainly going to attack again, and if torture stops it, then it is justified. Here I have two questions. The first is, are all of our captives truly determined to attack us again if set free? The second, does torture actually act as a deterrent against further attacks from that individual and/or (and this is specifically important) those who are related to him, friends with him, or identify with him on a cultural/social level?