No Revote In Florida

Florida took the “We don’t know how to vote,” mantle back in 2000, and they just kept on keepin’ on haven’t they?

So after some hopes that there would be a redo of the Florida primary, it looks like all has been for naught.  There won’t be a revote in Florida.  Some are calling this a setback for Clinton, and indeed it is.

Delegate rich Florida went overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton by a seventeen point margin, one of Clinton’s few blowouts this primary season.  However this win could hardly be described as undisputed given that the candidates had both pledged not to campaign in the state.

Having the delegation from Florida seated without an authentic revote may net Hillary a boost in delegates but I don’t think it’s going to help her build a convincing argument that she should be the nominee.  Now if there was a revote and she won the revote, that would be something.  She could say, “I won Florida TWICE!  What now?”  But without a revote, she doesn’t get to make much of a claim that she won it once.

So she could still stand to get a little help if the party decides to seat the delegation, but even that is up in the air.  Thus far Howard Dean has drawn a line in the sand in that the only way those delegates are getting seated is with do-overs, and that pretty much puts Florida out of the game.  If that holds up, and it very well may, that would truly be a blow for Clinton who is looking for anything and everything to make the delegate math on her a little easier.

Nor does Michigan look like it’s doing well either.  Nothing as insurmountable as Florida, but definitely some hurdles in the way.  Unlike Florida, where Obama’s name was at least on the ballot, in Michigan Hillary Clinton and Dennis Kucinich were the only Democrats voters could select in the Democratic primary.  Seating a delegation based upon that would no doubt cause an uproar.

Here’s my take.  We need to stick with the plan, and quit trying to change the rules mid-game.  Agree with the decision that Florida and Michigan would lose their delegates or not, that is what was agreed to, the two states were warned, they proceeded anyway, and this is what happens.  Sorry guys, better luck next time. 

At this point we’re likely not only to have a contentious primary, but a contentious convention with a little bitterness lasting a long time.  The last minute rule changes are only likely to make things worse, and leave questions in voters minds as to whether the Democratic nominee was democratically selected, or won by default of manipulating the rules better.  Not knowing the rules better, mind you, manipulating them.

To say that Florida and Michigan have been disenfranchised is not completely honest, or at least the blame is not being properly meted out; voters in both states were screwed as much by their state parties as the national party itself.  Right now votes from both states would be counted in full if they had simply adhered to what the national party was instructing them to do.  They didn’t, they lost their delegates, and that’s the way it goes.

Next time, they’ll listen.

3 Responses to “No Revote In Florida”

  1. DrGail says:

    I’m inclined to agree with you, although I recognize that the situation in Florida was not simply a result of the state’s Dems wanting to “take cuts” in line. . .

    However, the delegates from both states could easily be seated at the convention if Hillary acknowledged the obvious and dropped out of the race. (Ah, wishful thinking sure is a solace to me!)

  2. It is wishful thinking, but it’s also why I think that the Super Delegates will probably call this one short before we get there.

    Far worse than any divisiveness is the potential blow back from the Michigan and Florida debacle. Now if this gets decided before the wire, Democrats get to seat Michigan and Florida and say, “We have a winner and we seated Michigan and Florida”, best of both worlds.

    But they can’t override Obama to do this, they simply can’t. They can endorse his victory, so to speak because he is in the lead and Clinton is at a severe statistical advanatage, but ot override Obama would be to disenfranchise half the party–essentially the same effect many think will arise should this happen at a brokered convention.

    So, right now, Hillary is expected to win PA by about fifteen to twenty points, then it’s Indiana and North Carolina which are supposed to go to Obama. I think what will happen is that after PA, Hillary will be humored one more time, but after Obama wins Indiana and NC, everyone’s going to take one last look at the math and be like, “That’s it, let’s call it.”

    It may seem implausible now, when everyone is already digging their heels in for a brokered convention, but I have a feeling that Howard Dean wasn’t wrong when he said that he won’t let it get to that.

    remember, Hillary needs a forty point mauling of Obama in PA, and a twenty point blowing in every other state following in order to stay competative in delegates.

    Totally off topic, I know I was going to post that one thing you sent me yesterday, but chose not to mainly because I’m having a hard time deciding what tone and what direction I wanted things to go here. I’ve been incredibly harsh on Hillary, and I’ve wanted to back down on that, yet at the same time I need to express some frustration. I may still post that letter, but I’m not sure if or when.

  3. onevoice says:

    There is a big grassroots movement happening in Florida and Michigan to have the people fund a revote at it is a new sit getting a lot of buzz. It is time for one voice one fight one win.


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