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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27695</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No kidding.  I thought I was going to pee my pants; swear to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kidding.  I thought I was going to pee my pants; swear to God.</p>
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		<title>By: Connecticut Man1</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27692</link>
		<dc:creator>Connecticut Man1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just glad that I was not drinking anything when I got to Terry&#039;s comment... :) Nice find on the sermon and statement Albert and Cernig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just glad that I was not drinking anything when I got to Terry&#8217;s comment&#8230; <img src='http://commentsfromleftfield.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Nice find on the sermon and statement Albert and Cernig.</p>
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		<title>By: Religious Counsel &#187; Comments from Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Religious Counsel &#187; Comments from Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We discussed yesterday the high powered prayer group to which Hillary Clinton belongs, and the soci....  But is this tight circle inhabited by the likes of Sam Brownback and Tom Coburn the only religious influence Hillary Clinton has in her life?  Absolutely not. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We discussed yesterday the high powered prayer group to which Hillary Clinton belongs, and the soci&#8230;.  But is this tight circle inhabited by the likes of Sam Brownback and Tom Coburn the only religious influence Hillary Clinton has in her life?  Absolutely not. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27613</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes...  yes you did.  But it&#039;s okay, no judging.  There&#039;s a lot of disappointment right now in Hillary.  Let it out.  You&#039;re good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes&#8230;  yes you did.  But it&#8217;s okay, no judging.  There&#8217;s a lot of disappointment right now in Hillary.  Let it out.  You&#8217;re good.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27612</link>
		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I actually say that out loud...

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I actually say that out loud&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://commentsfromleftfield.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27610</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...  and there it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;  and there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27608</link>
		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary says Rev. Wright wouldn&#039;t be her pastor. 

Well, you know what, if I had a husband who humiliated me in front of the entire country by carrying on with a twit of an intern while in the White House...

He wouldn&#039;t be my husband anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary says Rev. Wright wouldn&#8217;t be her pastor. </p>
<p>Well, you know what, if I had a husband who humiliated me in front of the entire country by carrying on with a twit of an intern while in the White House&#8230;</p>
<p>He wouldn&#8217;t be my husband anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27596</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is very cool.

Anyway, I&#039;m going to start working on this stuff tomorrow.  I only have about an hour before I have to start doing the last bit of work I have to do before heading home.

Again, thanks for this stuff.  I think I already have a headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is very cool.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m going to start working on this stuff tomorrow.  I only have about an hour before I have to start doing the last bit of work I have to do before heading home.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for this stuff.  I think I already have a headline.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27595</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: Strange as it may seem, there is still a chance that I may vote for her, if only to help prevent McCain from taking the White House, but I will not lift a finger to help her.  Or, more accurately, I won&#039;t drop fingers on keys to help her as it turns out.

C: Thanks.  This is it.  I&#039;ve pretty much gotten tired of every time something comes up hoping that Hillary will do the right thing.  I&#039;ve pretty much lost patience with saying every few weeks, &quot;okay, this is the new line she can&#039;t cross.&quot;

It&#039;s done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: Strange as it may seem, there is still a chance that I may vote for her, if only to help prevent McCain from taking the White House, but I will not lift a finger to help her.  Or, more accurately, I won&#8217;t drop fingers on keys to help her as it turns out.</p>
<p>C: Thanks.  This is it.  I&#8217;ve pretty much gotten tired of every time something comes up hoping that Hillary will do the right thing.  I&#8217;ve pretty much lost patience with saying every few weeks, &#8220;okay, this is the new line she can&#8217;t cross.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s done.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes, it&#039;s authentic. I got it from the foundry ministy website frontpage (foundryumc.org).

Check out the &lt;a&gt;Rev&#039;s Easter Sunday Sermon&lt;/a&gt; too.

&quot;I was feeling depressed about the racial tension in America this past week. At the request of a member, I made a statement this week about the attention the media was giving to some comments by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whom I have heard speak a number of times. The statement is available on our website and copies are available in our office. I was feeling sort of depressed. When are we ever going to be able to get past the racial divisions that run so deep in the American psyche?

Then suddenly this weekend I moved from fear to joy. I realized that the tension we are experiencing is because the rules are changing. What we are experiencing is the shock of resurrection which always causes within us fear and great joy all mixed up together.   

I was the pastor of a primarily African-American congregation for several years in the 1980’s. When I say primarily African-American I mean all but two people in the congregation were African-American. One of the two who was not African-American was married to me. 

It was the most fearful and joyous experience of my life. Every day we had to choose between fear and joy.  

I knew it was a sacrifice for a congregation of African-Americans of the generation who had grown up before and during the civil rights movement to have a white pastor. 

For African-Americans, church in those days was where you could go to say what you really thought and what you really felt without white people looking over your shoulder disapprovingly. Church was something –sometimes the only thing – that belonged to you, that you got to run. Church was where you could let your guard down. 

Suddenly now you’ve got a white pastor. He is in some ways an intruder; yet, you’ve got to treat him well because there is no higher value among a people who know what is like to be put out than hospitality. 

It was frightening for me, too. I was always nervous I would say or do something offensive. There are all sorts of things white people do that are offensive and we have no idea. I was careful and guarded, and members of the congregation were careful and cautious around me. 

We eventually figured out how to be church together. But every day we had to choose between fear and joy.

One turning point was when three men in the congregation invited me to go with them to a men’s prayer breakfast at a neighboring church. We had a fine breakfast. As was often the case in those days, I was the only white person in the room. Then it was time for the speaker. 

The speaker spoke on the superiority of the black race over the white race. He quoted scientific studies that proved, he claimed, that the brains of black people are, on average, larger and more developed than the brains of white people. It was a mirror image of the foolish pseudo-science white people had used for centuries to supposedly prove they were superior to black people. A mirror image.  

I could tell that the three men who had invited me to the breakfast were mortified, just absolutely mortified. They sat as stiff as if they were corpses.   

One of the men had driven us there. After breakfast and the speech, we got in his car. The ride back began in a very uncomfortable silence. Nobody knew what to say. Finally I decided I had to say something to break the ice. So this is what I said: “He’s not all wrong, you know? Every black person I have known,” I said, “has had a more developed brain than my white brother-in-law.”

Every day we had to choose between fear and joy. The rules were changing and every day we had to choose between fear and joy. 

We made it – that congregation and I. It was scary but we learned we weren’t so fragile that we would shatter if we heard or experienced something uncomfortable. It wouldn’t be the end of the world. We could take risks with each other. And eventually there were actually times when we almost forgot the shades of our skin. Great joy. &quot;

Very cool.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, it&#8217;s authentic. I got it from the foundry ministy website frontpage (foundryumc.org).</p>
<p>Check out the <a>Rev&#8217;s Easter Sunday Sermon</a> too.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was feeling depressed about the racial tension in America this past week. At the request of a member, I made a statement this week about the attention the media was giving to some comments by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whom I have heard speak a number of times. The statement is available on our website and copies are available in our office. I was feeling sort of depressed. When are we ever going to be able to get past the racial divisions that run so deep in the American psyche?</p>
<p>Then suddenly this weekend I moved from fear to joy. I realized that the tension we are experiencing is because the rules are changing. What we are experiencing is the shock of resurrection which always causes within us fear and great joy all mixed up together.   </p>
<p>I was the pastor of a primarily African-American congregation for several years in the 1980’s. When I say primarily African-American I mean all but two people in the congregation were African-American. One of the two who was not African-American was married to me. </p>
<p>It was the most fearful and joyous experience of my life. Every day we had to choose between fear and joy.  </p>
<p>I knew it was a sacrifice for a congregation of African-Americans of the generation who had grown up before and during the civil rights movement to have a white pastor. </p>
<p>For African-Americans, church in those days was where you could go to say what you really thought and what you really felt without white people looking over your shoulder disapprovingly. Church was something –sometimes the only thing – that belonged to you, that you got to run. Church was where you could let your guard down. </p>
<p>Suddenly now you’ve got a white pastor. He is in some ways an intruder; yet, you’ve got to treat him well because there is no higher value among a people who know what is like to be put out than hospitality. </p>
<p>It was frightening for me, too. I was always nervous I would say or do something offensive. There are all sorts of things white people do that are offensive and we have no idea. I was careful and guarded, and members of the congregation were careful and cautious around me. </p>
<p>We eventually figured out how to be church together. But every day we had to choose between fear and joy.</p>
<p>One turning point was when three men in the congregation invited me to go with them to a men’s prayer breakfast at a neighboring church. We had a fine breakfast. As was often the case in those days, I was the only white person in the room. Then it was time for the speaker. </p>
<p>The speaker spoke on the superiority of the black race over the white race. He quoted scientific studies that proved, he claimed, that the brains of black people are, on average, larger and more developed than the brains of white people. It was a mirror image of the foolish pseudo-science white people had used for centuries to supposedly prove they were superior to black people. A mirror image.  </p>
<p>I could tell that the three men who had invited me to the breakfast were mortified, just absolutely mortified. They sat as stiff as if they were corpses.   </p>
<p>One of the men had driven us there. After breakfast and the speech, we got in his car. The ride back began in a very uncomfortable silence. Nobody knew what to say. Finally I decided I had to say something to break the ice. So this is what I said: “He’s not all wrong, you know? Every black person I have known,” I said, “has had a more developed brain than my white brother-in-law.”</p>
<p>Every day we had to choose between fear and joy. The rules were changing and every day we had to choose between fear and joy. </p>
<p>We made it – that congregation and I. It was scary but we learned we weren’t so fragile that we would shatter if we heard or experienced something uncomfortable. It wouldn’t be the end of the world. We could take risks with each other. And eventually there were actually times when we almost forgot the shades of our skin. Great joy. &#8221;</p>
<p>Very cool.</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foundryumc.org/pdfs/Statement%20concerning%20Rev.%20Jeremiah%20Wright.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask and thou shalt receive.&lt;/a&gt;

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foundryumc.org/pdfs/Statement%20concerning%20Rev.%20Jeremiah%20Wright.pdf" rel="nofollow">Ask and thou shalt receive.</a></p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tedesco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Tedesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  just finished watching the Clinton comments and was coming in to write a screed daming her and calling this ridiculous truce to an end. Screw her, screw the truce and screw Bill. This knee-capping, as it is being called, has guaranteed I will NOT vote for her is she to find a way to steal this nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  just finished watching the Clinton comments and was coming in to write a screed daming her and calling this ridiculous truce to an end. Screw her, screw the truce and screw Bill. This knee-capping, as it is being called, has guaranteed I will NOT vote for her is she to find a way to steal this nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/03/of-better-angels-and-lesser-demons/comment-page-1#comment-27589</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... okay, do you have a link for that statement?

I&#039;m serious, that&#039;s good stuff.

As for Hillary being a succubus... It gets harder to disagree with that every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; okay, do you have a link for that statement?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m serious, that&#8217;s good stuff.</p>
<p>As for Hillary being a succubus&#8230; It gets harder to disagree with that every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Johnson Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Johnson Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary Clinton is truly a nasty piece of work.  Even if one does not consider the supposedly inflammatory nature of the Wright sermons, she took an opportunity to promote healing or at least thought provoking discussion, and instead parroted a line that even the conservative nominee and the man he defeated has abandoned.

  


I have no doubt Hillary would have left her church and the place that introduced her to Jesus  because it is abundantly clear that there is no belief, no ethic, no moral, or important relationship she would not gladly sacrifice in order to further her own naked ambition.  However, she should get that choice.  These are the words of her pastor in the white house for 8 years Dean J Snyder the Senior Minister of the Foundry United Methodist church.  The Clintons church while they were in the white house.

 

A STATEMENT CONCERNING THE REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT 

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader 
whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for 
decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. 
He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia 
which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic 
ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave 
injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the 
African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a 
people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and 
violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has 
been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions 
and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us 
who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. 
Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a 
critical time in America’s history as we seek to repent of our racism. 
No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again 
to one another and not to distort one another’s truth.

   


Over 2 million Americans have seen the full context of the Rev. Wright’s sermon on YouTube.  So, when Hillary says it’s out there for people to make up their minds I hope they truly do.


Hillary is a political succubus.  She will suck the energy and will from this party until we are broken and defeated.

 

 We have to defeat this person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary Clinton is truly a nasty piece of work.  Even if one does not consider the supposedly inflammatory nature of the Wright sermons, she took an opportunity to promote healing or at least thought provoking discussion, and instead parroted a line that even the conservative nominee and the man he defeated has abandoned.</p>
<p>I have no doubt Hillary would have left her church and the place that introduced her to Jesus  because it is abundantly clear that there is no belief, no ethic, no moral, or important relationship she would not gladly sacrifice in order to further her own naked ambition.  However, she should get that choice.  These are the words of her pastor in the white house for 8 years Dean J Snyder the Senior Minister of the Foundry United Methodist church.  The Clintons church while they were in the white house.</p>
<p>A STATEMENT CONCERNING THE REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT </p>
<p>The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader<br />
whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for<br />
decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society.<br />
He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia<br />
which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic<br />
ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave<br />
injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the<br />
African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a<br />
people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and<br />
violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has<br />
been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions<br />
and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us<br />
who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr.<br />
Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a<br />
critical time in America’s history as we seek to repent of our racism.<br />
No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again<br />
to one another and not to distort one another’s truth.</p>
<p>Over 2 million Americans have seen the full context of the Rev. Wright’s sermon on YouTube.  So, when Hillary says it’s out there for people to make up their minds I hope they truly do.</p>
<p>Hillary is a political succubus.  She will suck the energy and will from this party until we are broken and defeated.</p>
<p> We have to defeat this person.</p>
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