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		<title>By: Rainbow Demon</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/04/a-black-vs-white-issue-is-more-like-it/comment-page-1#comment-31927</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainbow Demon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an article in "&lt;a href="http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3597/the_clinton_firewall/" rel="nofollow"&gt;In These Times&lt;/a&gt;" by David Sirota a while back that is kind of related to this issue. 
He calls this phenomenon the "race chasm" which he explains occurs in states whose populations are more than 6 percent but less than 17 percent black. Pennsylvania fits that profile. 

He also goes on to say that the Clintons are manipulating this 'trend'. It's a pretty interesting article, but I hate this type of casting. It's like "profiling" profiling... if you catch my meaning. I was a bit disappointed with the whole Pennsylvania scenario from the start, but it's brought with it a wider recognition of what we are up against in this country as far as racism goes.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm remaining colorblind - I never really had a choice in that matter...

Peace,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article in &#8220;<a href="http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3597/the_clinton_firewall/" rel="nofollow">In These Times</a>&#8221; by David Sirota a while back that is kind of related to this issue.<br />
He calls this phenomenon the &#8220;race chasm&#8221; which he explains occurs in states whose populations are more than 6 percent but less than 17 percent black. Pennsylvania fits that profile. </p>
<p>He also goes on to say that the Clintons are manipulating this &#8216;trend&#8217;. It&#8217;s a pretty interesting article, but I hate this type of casting. It&#8217;s like &#8220;profiling&#8221; profiling&#8230; if you catch my meaning. I was a bit disappointed with the whole Pennsylvania scenario from the start, but it&#8217;s brought with it a wider recognition of what we are up against in this country as far as racism goes.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, I&#8217;m remaining colorblind - I never really had a choice in that matter&#8230;</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
=RD=</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me silly, call me upbeat, I'm personally not all that worried over this.  A recent poll indicated that fifteen percent might vote against Obama because he's black.  That's pretty bad.  But then, that still leaves eighty-five percent of the vote to work on.

Indeed, of that fifteen percent, I still say you work on them.  If you put a clear contrast between what McCain means for this country, and what Obama means for this country, what it will mean in regards to improving the economy, and in establishing a saner, safer, and more effective foreign policy, you may be surprised; some of those folks very well may get over their racial reservations and cast their vote for the black guy.

But really, what it boils down to is what we have seen in this primary.  Obama shouldn't have won; Hillary had the party support, she had the fundraising apparatus, she had the name recognition.  By all rights, Obama should have been knocked out on Super Tuesday.

Why wasn't he?  Why is he the presumptive nominee?  Because he looked at the landscape and he plotted out a course that worked for him.  He employed a fifty (or forty-eight if you prefer) state strategy that allowed him to bulid up delegates where Hillary wasn't looking, and now we have a guy who is essentially untouchable by the metric that matters; delegates.

I'm pretty sure he's going to do something similar come time of the General Election.  He's going to look at the landscape and he's going to plot out a course to victory and it may confuse and baffle a lot of long time pundits who won't understand why he's putting so many resources from Kansas to Montana when that's clearly Republican territory.

But that's what's going to happen.  Also, he's going to unleash upon the electorate a grassroots/netroots effort the likes of which we've never seen before, and that's a key point too.  You look at the percentage of eligable voters who actually do vote, and it's pretty low.  One of the key strategy points that I think the Obama campaign should and probably will employ is to really bump that number up, energizing new swaths of voters that may cancel out the racist vote.

So I'm not worried.  I do see it as a challenge, but that's fine, nothing worth having is easy.  And if we lose, we lose, but we lose on our terms, and we send a clear message that we're done playing Republican lite games, that we're going to challenge them on every issue with alternative ideas, better ideas, and whichever candidate embodies that is the candidate that's going to be our nominee from here on in.

And we'll continue to lose those battles, but that, my friends, is what we call a "good death".  But to be frank, I don't think our good death is coming this November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me silly, call me upbeat, I&#8217;m personally not all that worried over this.  A recent poll indicated that fifteen percent might vote against Obama because he&#8217;s black.  That&#8217;s pretty bad.  But then, that still leaves eighty-five percent of the vote to work on.</p>
<p>Indeed, of that fifteen percent, I still say you work on them.  If you put a clear contrast between what McCain means for this country, and what Obama means for this country, what it will mean in regards to improving the economy, and in establishing a saner, safer, and more effective foreign policy, you may be surprised; some of those folks very well may get over their racial reservations and cast their vote for the black guy.</p>
<p>But really, what it boils down to is what we have seen in this primary.  Obama shouldn&#8217;t have won; Hillary had the party support, she had the fundraising apparatus, she had the name recognition.  By all rights, Obama should have been knocked out on Super Tuesday.</p>
<p>Why wasn&#8217;t he?  Why is he the presumptive nominee?  Because he looked at the landscape and he plotted out a course that worked for him.  He employed a fifty (or forty-eight if you prefer) state strategy that allowed him to bulid up delegates where Hillary wasn&#8217;t looking, and now we have a guy who is essentially untouchable by the metric that matters; delegates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;s going to do something similar come time of the General Election.  He&#8217;s going to look at the landscape and he&#8217;s going to plot out a course to victory and it may confuse and baffle a lot of long time pundits who won&#8217;t understand why he&#8217;s putting so many resources from Kansas to Montana when that&#8217;s clearly Republican territory.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going to happen.  Also, he&#8217;s going to unleash upon the electorate a grassroots/netroots effort the likes of which we&#8217;ve never seen before, and that&#8217;s a key point too.  You look at the percentage of eligable voters who actually do vote, and it&#8217;s pretty low.  One of the key strategy points that I think the Obama campaign should and probably will employ is to really bump that number up, energizing new swaths of voters that may cancel out the racist vote.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not worried.  I do see it as a challenge, but that&#8217;s fine, nothing worth having is easy.  And if we lose, we lose, but we lose on our terms, and we send a clear message that we&#8217;re done playing Republican lite games, that we&#8217;re going to challenge them on every issue with alternative ideas, better ideas, and whichever candidate embodies that is the candidate that&#8217;s going to be our nominee from here on in.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;ll continue to lose those battles, but that, my friends, is what we call a &#8220;good death&#8221;.  But to be frank, I don&#8217;t think our good death is coming this November.</p>
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		<title>By: B.T. McDermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.T. McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only speak for myself. I am 58, a union member, white, and a life long moderate democrat. I was open-minded through Iowa to New Hampshire and read each candidates' sites to learn all I could on their planks. I heard Ms. Brazil's intention to leave the party if she thought her guy was robbed. I asked quite a few friends who they supported and what issues and what positions of the various candidates influenced their decision. I found that it is now politically correct to support a candidate because he or she looks like you and you can be accused of being not black enough or not feminist enough. If racism or sexism can be used to create support then it is apparent to me that democrats are racists and sexists. These are the liberals, so what can you expect from the republicans. Jay Leno actually asked John Edwards  "What were you thinking running as a white guy". In my opinion there is no historic moment, no broken glass ceiling, only proof that we all play the race/ gender card to our advantage every chance we get. I am saddly more sure that there is no difference between the parties, both groups of politicians use any advantage they can to gain power. My question is to Howard Dean, are you trying to give the republicans a win? What are you thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only speak for myself. I am 58, a union member, white, and a life long moderate democrat. I was open-minded through Iowa to New Hampshire and read each candidates&#8217; sites to learn all I could on their planks. I heard Ms. Brazil&#8217;s intention to leave the party if she thought her guy was robbed. I asked quite a few friends who they supported and what issues and what positions of the various candidates influenced their decision. I found that it is now politically correct to support a candidate because he or she looks like you and you can be accused of being not black enough or not feminist enough. If racism or sexism can be used to create support then it is apparent to me that democrats are racists and sexists. These are the liberals, so what can you expect from the republicans. Jay Leno actually asked John Edwards  &#8220;What were you thinking running as a white guy&#8221;. In my opinion there is no historic moment, no broken glass ceiling, only proof that we all play the race/ gender card to our advantage every chance we get. I am saddly more sure that there is no difference between the parties, both groups of politicians use any advantage they can to gain power. My question is to Howard Dean, are you trying to give the republicans a win? What are you thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tedesco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Tedesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I am just taking a slightly different look at the same thing.

Tas rightly pointed out his fear that Obama could not win over the Fiscal Democrats I talked about specifically because he knows there is an underlying race issue. I personally believe we can still win but it will take a change in the electoral map that I am not convinced can happen. Obama will need to redraw the red/blue state map drastically in order to make the electoral vote math work. Particularly if he does not win either PA or OH in the general. Something that I am begrudgingly coming to believe. 

These polling numbers that show Hillary voters who, if faced with an Obama candidacy, will vote for McCain are real. They are not people who are being hyperbolic but rather expressing their deep racism. To them, it is better to vote for the old white guy than the black guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I am just taking a slightly different look at the same thing.</p>
<p>Tas rightly pointed out his fear that Obama could not win over the Fiscal Democrats I talked about specifically because he knows there is an underlying race issue. I personally believe we can still win but it will take a change in the electoral map that I am not convinced can happen. Obama will need to redraw the red/blue state map drastically in order to make the electoral vote math work. Particularly if he does not win either PA or OH in the general. Something that I am begrudgingly coming to believe. </p>
<p>These polling numbers that show Hillary voters who, if faced with an Obama candidacy, will vote for McCain are real. They are not people who are being hyperbolic but rather expressing their deep racism. To them, it is better to vote for the old white guy than the black guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Fargus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fargus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a subtly different issue than what TAS brought up.  TAS was saying that the primary results are an indicator of performance in the general election.  You're saying that racialized voting patterns will emerge, and I couldn't agree more.  But it's more compex than simply saying that because Barack Obama lost the Pennsylvania primary to Hillary Clinton, he'll lose the general election to John McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a subtly different issue than what TAS brought up.  TAS was saying that the primary results are an indicator of performance in the general election.  You&#8217;re saying that racialized voting patterns will emerge, and I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  But it&#8217;s more compex than simply saying that because Barack Obama lost the Pennsylvania primary to Hillary Clinton, he&#8217;ll lose the general election to John McCain.</p>
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