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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/04/honesty-on-gun-control/comment-page-1#comment-31635</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will do, thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle E. Moore</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/04/honesty-on-gun-control/comment-page-1#comment-30757</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle E. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  Aardvark, you point out practical flaws in my proposal, but please please please let&#039;s not assume that I want to &quot;keep gusn from millions of law abiding citizens&quot;.

I don&#039;t.  And really, what Jason speaks to above you, that&#039;s what I&#039;m going for because, I&#039;ll be honest with you, my interpretation of the second amendment is not kind.  There is the &quot;well regulated militia&quot; clause that I think is important, and then there is the &quot;arms&quot; word that itself is important.

Arms, you have a constitutionally protected right to own an arm, it does not specify what kind of arm, and most definitely does not say firearm.

My point is not to be antagonistic, though, it is so you understand where I come from.  I don&#039;t like guns, never have, never saw the big deal.  I&#039;ve lived in some shitty neighborhoods before in my life, and I&#039;ve stared down the wrong end of a gun at least once, and nothing has convinced me that I want to have anything to do with firearms.

BUT

That&#039;s me.  I am who I am.  I know many gun enthusiasts who are completely different than me, they own many guns, they collect, hell an old friend of mine used to show off a picture of himself holding to ak-47&#039;s with a big old smile on his face.  And I recognize that gun enthusiasts have a right to collect, own and use guns, and I don&#039;t want to infringe upon that.

I have that opinion because I have hobbies and things that I&#039;m passionate about that I probably would go buy a gun if someone threatened to take them away from me.  If our Federal government all of a sudden said that I couldn&#039;t write about politics and current events anymore, you bet your ass, I&#039;m mounting up.

Oh, hell yes I would use the second amendment to protect the first.

But I&#039;m getting off topic.  The point is that just because I can&#039;t get enthused about guns doesn&#039;t mean that I don&#039;t want to protect the right for other people to own them.

I simply have two concerns I want to address:

-Keeping guns away from criminals

-Making sure that legal gun owners are responsible gun owners.

Now, there&#039;s not a lot you can do for irresponsible behavior other than to punish it, but the point behind the driver&#039;s license idea is to create a system where at least we know that everyone who purchases a gun does so with a certain level of training to make sure they can be responsible gun owners.  Things like never leave a gun loaded when not in use, if you have children make sure that your guns are locked up and out of reach, or whatever...

And one thing that responsbile gun owners may not understand is that, this isn&#039;t knowledge that comes naturally, or is passed down from one family to the next.  I mean, you want something really scary?  The actual idea of me going out and buying a gun.  I would probably accidentally use the gun to burn the house down or something.

No, really, I can be that stupid.

So that&#039;s where I&#039;m coming from.

Jason, thank you.  You know, I try to be open minded, and I try not to sell myself for something I&#039;m not.  If I&#039;m going to disagree with you, I&#039;m going to disagree with you, but the thing that I think a lot of us have gotten used to is that we talk right by each other.  Like, you brought up abortion, you know what?  I don&#039;t like abortion either, but I&#039;m pro-choice, and I have my reasonings for that, and I have ideas and potential solutions that would probably exist in a middle ground for you and I, but those will have to wait for now as I&#039;ve spent the last twenty minutes on this comment and I have to move on to something else, and give my fingers a break.

Thanks both of you for stopping by and I hope you&#039;ll come be a part of our discussion again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Aardvark, you point out practical flaws in my proposal, but please please please let&#8217;s not assume that I want to &#8220;keep gusn from millions of law abiding citizens&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t.  And really, what Jason speaks to above you, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going for because, I&#8217;ll be honest with you, my interpretation of the second amendment is not kind.  There is the &#8220;well regulated militia&#8221; clause that I think is important, and then there is the &#8220;arms&#8221; word that itself is important.</p>
<p>Arms, you have a constitutionally protected right to own an arm, it does not specify what kind of arm, and most definitely does not say firearm.</p>
<p>My point is not to be antagonistic, though, it is so you understand where I come from.  I don&#8217;t like guns, never have, never saw the big deal.  I&#8217;ve lived in some shitty neighborhoods before in my life, and I&#8217;ve stared down the wrong end of a gun at least once, and nothing has convinced me that I want to have anything to do with firearms.</p>
<p>BUT</p>
<p>That&#8217;s me.  I am who I am.  I know many gun enthusiasts who are completely different than me, they own many guns, they collect, hell an old friend of mine used to show off a picture of himself holding to ak-47&#8242;s with a big old smile on his face.  And I recognize that gun enthusiasts have a right to collect, own and use guns, and I don&#8217;t want to infringe upon that.</p>
<p>I have that opinion because I have hobbies and things that I&#8217;m passionate about that I probably would go buy a gun if someone threatened to take them away from me.  If our Federal government all of a sudden said that I couldn&#8217;t write about politics and current events anymore, you bet your ass, I&#8217;m mounting up.</p>
<p>Oh, hell yes I would use the second amendment to protect the first.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m getting off topic.  The point is that just because I can&#8217;t get enthused about guns doesn&#8217;t mean that I don&#8217;t want to protect the right for other people to own them.</p>
<p>I simply have two concerns I want to address:</p>
<p>-Keeping guns away from criminals</p>
<p>-Making sure that legal gun owners are responsible gun owners.</p>
<p>Now, there&#8217;s not a lot you can do for irresponsible behavior other than to punish it, but the point behind the driver&#8217;s license idea is to create a system where at least we know that everyone who purchases a gun does so with a certain level of training to make sure they can be responsible gun owners.  Things like never leave a gun loaded when not in use, if you have children make sure that your guns are locked up and out of reach, or whatever&#8230;</p>
<p>And one thing that responsbile gun owners may not understand is that, this isn&#8217;t knowledge that comes naturally, or is passed down from one family to the next.  I mean, you want something really scary?  The actual idea of me going out and buying a gun.  I would probably accidentally use the gun to burn the house down or something.</p>
<p>No, really, I can be that stupid.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m coming from.</p>
<p>Jason, thank you.  You know, I try to be open minded, and I try not to sell myself for something I&#8217;m not.  If I&#8217;m going to disagree with you, I&#8217;m going to disagree with you, but the thing that I think a lot of us have gotten used to is that we talk right by each other.  Like, you brought up abortion, you know what?  I don&#8217;t like abortion either, but I&#8217;m pro-choice, and I have my reasonings for that, and I have ideas and potential solutions that would probably exist in a middle ground for you and I, but those will have to wait for now as I&#8217;ve spent the last twenty minutes on this comment and I have to move on to something else, and give my fingers a break.</p>
<p>Thanks both of you for stopping by and I hope you&#8217;ll come be a part of our discussion again.</p>
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		<title>By: Aardvark</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/04/honesty-on-gun-control/comment-page-1#comment-30751</link>
		<dc:creator>Aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;treat guns the way we treat cars&quot; is  a common sentiment, but it is flawed. Firstly, anyone with the money is allowed to OWN or KEEP (or even USE) a car, on their own property, or off public roadways. One is not required to attend drivers ed, be of legal age, have a clean record or be of sound mind to simply buy or own a car. In fact, I have seen one writer in support of gun rights praise the &quot;the way we treat cars&quot; argument for exactly this reason. Likewise, I do not consider unrestricted concealed carry to be necessary for my personal safety or my family&#039;s safety at home. I only want a gun for the home. Treating guns &quot;the way we treat cars&quot; would mean ANYONE passing the training and test over the age of 16 (in my jurisdiction) would be allowed to have or &quot;operate&quot; a gun on the streets! Youth would have impromptu speed draw and shooting competitions, the way they compete with (their parents&#039;) cars. Perhaps they&#039;d even be firing off guns in public for show, the way they perform burnouts in public with automobiles. (As a matter of fact, concealed carry of firearms is in practice, not permitted to civilians in my state.) Is treating guns &quot;the way we treat cars&quot; REALLY what &quot;gun control&quot; supporters want? This requires more thought. If what gun control supporters want is to take or keep guns from millions of law abiding citizens, they need to be honest enough to argue from that basis, and deal with the resulting controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;treat guns the way we treat cars&#8221; is  a common sentiment, but it is flawed. Firstly, anyone with the money is allowed to OWN or KEEP (or even USE) a car, on their own property, or off public roadways. One is not required to attend drivers ed, be of legal age, have a clean record or be of sound mind to simply buy or own a car. In fact, I have seen one writer in support of gun rights praise the &#8220;the way we treat cars&#8221; argument for exactly this reason. Likewise, I do not consider unrestricted concealed carry to be necessary for my personal safety or my family&#8217;s safety at home. I only want a gun for the home. Treating guns &#8220;the way we treat cars&#8221; would mean ANYONE passing the training and test over the age of 16 (in my jurisdiction) would be allowed to have or &#8220;operate&#8221; a gun on the streets! Youth would have impromptu speed draw and shooting competitions, the way they compete with (their parents&#8217;) cars. Perhaps they&#8217;d even be firing off guns in public for show, the way they perform burnouts in public with automobiles. (As a matter of fact, concealed carry of firearms is in practice, not permitted to civilians in my state.) Is treating guns &#8220;the way we treat cars&#8221; REALLY what &#8220;gun control&#8221; supporters want? This requires more thought. If what gun control supporters want is to take or keep guns from millions of law abiding citizens, they need to be honest enough to argue from that basis, and deal with the resulting controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/04/honesty-on-gun-control/comment-page-1#comment-30652</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  I must confess, being prior law enforcement, that I am a big believer in gun ownership because a gun, in the right hand is a very effective levelizer.  It gives a 70 year widow a fighting chance against a hoodlum who is breaking into her house.  Anyway, my point was, of all of the remarks by liberals and the left on guns, you actually make sense.  I am tired of being treated like I am the scum of the earth because I believe I should be able to defend my family with a gun and I think abortion is wrong, and I am especially sick of politicians patrionizing me by going duck hunting!  Someone like you, I could have a dialog with.  Because you are willing to talk and listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  I must confess, being prior law enforcement, that I am a big believer in gun ownership because a gun, in the right hand is a very effective levelizer.  It gives a 70 year widow a fighting chance against a hoodlum who is breaking into her house.  Anyway, my point was, of all of the remarks by liberals and the left on guns, you actually make sense.  I am tired of being treated like I am the scum of the earth because I believe I should be able to defend my family with a gun and I think abortion is wrong, and I am especially sick of politicians patrionizing me by going duck hunting!  Someone like you, I could have a dialog with.  Because you are willing to talk and listen.</p>
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