Comments on: Enough Already! http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already Loaning brain cells to those in need since 2003 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:20:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: tas http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36112 tas Wed, 14 May 2008 16:27:18 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36112 Oh, and if you're trying not to go insane, avoid No Quarter at all costs. I was just on there for five minutes and, well.. I'll got finals I desperately need to study for so I'll be finding a spot in the library that does not give me wifi access, and I'll see you all on friday. Oh, and if you’re trying not to go insane, avoid No Quarter at all costs. I was just on there for five minutes and, well.. I’ll got finals I desperately need to study for so I’ll be finding a spot in the library that does not give me wifi access, and I’ll see you all on friday.

]]> By: tas http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36111 tas Wed, 14 May 2008 16:25:29 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36111 If Perot didn't run in 1992, we might still be talking about Bill Clinton's problem with white voters and how it costed him the election. Wait a second, no we wouldn't -- even if it's true, Bill Clinton's white and as we all know, white people don't have a problem with each other. Therefore he wouldn't have a problem with "white voters," he would have a problem with "working class" voters or whatever. But Obama has a problem with "white" voters... If Perot didn’t run in 1992, we might still be talking about Bill Clinton’s problem with white voters and how it costed him the election. Wait a second, no we wouldn’t — even if it’s true, Bill Clinton’s white and as we all know, white people don’t have a problem with each other. Therefore he wouldn’t have a problem with “white voters,” he would have a problem with “working class” voters or whatever. But Obama has a problem with “white” voters…

]]> By: Pug http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36093 Pug Wed, 14 May 2008 13:05:28 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36093 The Clinton argument at this point can be reducecd to this: The Black Guy can't win. It's a despicable claim, especially when it is made against the candidate who is going to be the Democratic nominee. It's Pat Buchanan territory and the Clintons are welcome to it. According to people like Pup Tent Democrat, the party should chase after the Holy Grail of "white working class voters", better known as Reagan Democrats. These people are known as Reagan Democrats for a reason. The reason? They vote Republican. Pretty simple. Bill Clinton lost white voters. Al Gore lost white voters. John Kerry lost white voters. But, magically, Hillary will sweep the white working class voter in tthe general election, something her husband and no other Democrat has been able to do, and the votes of independents and African Americans she can just take for granted. Have they given any consideration to the reaction of black voters to their spin that Hillary is stronger because she wins white votes? She's won fewer votes but they are better votes because they're white votes. Democrats should fight as hard as they can for the votes of blue collar whites, but an election strategy based on winning their votes is doomed. And I'm getting tired of the premise pushed by Hillary's supporters, and Hillary herself. The Black Guy can't win is bullshit. Personally, I have a higher opinion of America than that. The Clinton argument at this point can be reducecd to this: The Black Guy can’t win.

It’s a despicable claim, especially when it is made against the candidate who is going to be the Democratic nominee. It’s Pat Buchanan territory and the Clintons are welcome to it.

According to people like Pup Tent Democrat, the party should chase after the Holy Grail of “white working class voters”, better known as Reagan Democrats. These people are known as Reagan Democrats for a reason. The reason? They vote Republican. Pretty simple.

Bill Clinton lost white voters. Al Gore lost white voters. John Kerry lost white voters. But, magically, Hillary will sweep the white working class voter in tthe general election, something her husband and no other Democrat has been able to do, and the votes of independents and African Americans she can just take for granted. Have they given any consideration to the reaction of black voters to their spin that Hillary is stronger because she wins white votes? She’s won fewer votes but they are better votes because they’re white votes.

Democrats should fight as hard as they can for the votes of blue collar whites, but an election strategy based on winning their votes is doomed. And I’m getting tired of the premise pushed by Hillary’s supporters, and Hillary herself. The Black Guy can’t win is bullshit. Personally, I have a higher opinion of America than that.

]]> By: Kyle E. Moore http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36090 Kyle E. Moore Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:51 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36090 Steve: Point well taken... again. I mean you're right,and in fact that was sort of the point to the post I linked to--if you can't get votes one place, get them somewhere else. If east of the mississippi, except of course Virginia, Wisconsin, also probably New York, and New Jersey because, realistically, do we think McCain's going to win those? And probably a couple of the New England states, and maybe Maryland (ahem), aside from those states east of the Mississippi, Obama has shown to have a problem getting working class white voters... soooooo... get voters from somewhere else, while at the same time softening the blow as much as possible with that hurting demographic. Waht really has me railing for the fences is that Armando doesn't get beyond, "Obama has a problem," and he supposedly is an Obama backer, and is supposedly a progressive. What the fuck is the point if you're not helping? You know? BD: good for you... you... you... goodie two shoes! Steve: Point well taken… again. I mean you’re right,and in fact that was sort of the point to the post I linked to–if you can’t get votes one place, get them somewhere else. If east of the mississippi, except of course Virginia, Wisconsin, also probably New York, and New Jersey because, realistically, do we think McCain’s going to win those? And probably a couple of the New England states, and maybe Maryland (ahem), aside from those states east of the Mississippi, Obama has shown to have a problem getting working class white voters… soooooo… get voters from somewhere else, while at the same time softening the blow as much as possible with that hurting demographic. Waht really has me railing for the fences is that Armando doesn’t get beyond, “Obama has a problem,” and he supposedly is an Obama backer, and is supposedly a progressive.

What the fuck is the point if you’re not helping?

You know?

BD: good for you… you… you… goodie two shoes!

]]> By: bostondreams http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36089 bostondreams Wed, 14 May 2008 12:16:06 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36089 But *I* did it without the cursing. ;-) But *I* did it without the cursing. ;-)

]]> By: Steve M. http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36083 Steve M. Wed, 14 May 2008 11:32:27 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36083 As I pointed out a while back, according to exit polls, <a HREF="http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2008/05/white-people-all-important-just.html" rel="nofollow">Bill Clinton had a problem with the white vote when he won in 1996, as did Al Gore when he won the popular vote in 2000 by half a million votes.</A> As I pointed out a while back, according to exit polls, Bill Clinton had a problem with the white vote when he won in 1996, as did Al Gore when he won the popular vote in 2000 by half a million votes.

]]> By: Kyle E. Moore http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36082 Kyle E. Moore Wed, 14 May 2008 11:31:40 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36082 Which was sort of the point I was trying to make. Which was sort of the point I was trying to make.

]]> By: Bostondreamer http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/05/enough-already#comment-36078 Bostondreamer Wed, 14 May 2008 10:54:57 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4149#comment-36078 From what I have read, Obama actually polls better than Kerry or Gore among white voters. He does not have a 'white voter' problem; he has a 'perception' of a white voter problem, because of idiots like Armando. From what I have read, Obama actually polls better than Kerry or Gore among white voters. He does not have a ‘white voter’ problem; he has a ‘perception’ of a white voter problem, because of idiots like Armando.

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