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		<title>By: gcotharn</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m syrupy enough to support Barack&#039;s defeat, yet to still have concern for the feelings of those who fervently support his election - such as the girl who wrote this post:  Kathy.  

The behavior of November voters regarding the TUCC kerfluffle will be interesting. 

The Racial Hatred Thing
You believe TUCC kerfluffle is about voters&#039; concerns about racism (or racial revolution?).  I think you are correct about some smallish yet definite number of voters.  For myself:  I doubt  Barack has racial hatred in his heart.

The Racial Assumption Thing
Does Barack have ludicrous, BLT-influenced racial assumption running around in the nooks and crannies of his thinking?  I would have more confidence if Barack renounced the racial assumptions of both BLT and TUCC, then asked forgiveness for having the bad judgment to sit in a church preaching a BLT racial message.  

The Judgment Thing
B/C Barack - through no fault of his own - has a thin resume by which voters can judge him: the judgment thing is big with him.  Voters are looking for evidence of his good judgment.  Barack&#039;s having sat in TUCC pews, and listened to racially tinged BLT sermons, definitely hurts him with voters.  Of the several factors in this kerfluffle, the judgment thing is the biggest negative Barack faces.   

The Repentance Thing
The good news, imo:  Americans love a repentant sinner!  If Barack has the good judgment to admit he had bad judgment: Americans will love him for it!  I think TUCC is both a crisis and an opportunity for Barack.

The Economic Policy Thing
For myself, the racial stuff and the racial bad judgment stuff is not my major TUCC issue.  My major issue is the &quot;institutional wealth distribution&quot; part of the BLT message:  1) it goes against what America stands for; 2) it&#039;s a concept which is proven to lead to economic disaster.  It seems as if Barack does believe in this aspect of the BLT message - and that&#039;s a deal breaker for me (though there are other deal breakers for me re: Barack).  However, the bad policy of &quot;institutional wealth distribution&quot; will sway very few voters.   It will sway me, and ... maybe 150 other voters!  Heh.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m syrupy enough to support Barack&#8217;s defeat, yet to still have concern for the feelings of those who fervently support his election &#8211; such as the girl who wrote this post:  Kathy.  </p>
<p>The behavior of November voters regarding the TUCC kerfluffle will be interesting. </p>
<p>The Racial Hatred Thing<br />
You believe TUCC kerfluffle is about voters&#8217; concerns about racism (or racial revolution?).  I think you are correct about some smallish yet definite number of voters.  For myself:  I doubt  Barack has racial hatred in his heart.</p>
<p>The Racial Assumption Thing<br />
Does Barack have ludicrous, BLT-influenced racial assumption running around in the nooks and crannies of his thinking?  I would have more confidence if Barack renounced the racial assumptions of both BLT and TUCC, then asked forgiveness for having the bad judgment to sit in a church preaching a BLT racial message.  </p>
<p>The Judgment Thing<br />
B/C Barack &#8211; through no fault of his own &#8211; has a thin resume by which voters can judge him: the judgment thing is big with him.  Voters are looking for evidence of his good judgment.  Barack&#8217;s having sat in TUCC pews, and listened to racially tinged BLT sermons, definitely hurts him with voters.  Of the several factors in this kerfluffle, the judgment thing is the biggest negative Barack faces.   </p>
<p>The Repentance Thing<br />
The good news, imo:  Americans love a repentant sinner!  If Barack has the good judgment to admit he had bad judgment: Americans will love him for it!  I think TUCC is both a crisis and an opportunity for Barack.</p>
<p>The Economic Policy Thing<br />
For myself, the racial stuff and the racial bad judgment stuff is not my major TUCC issue.  My major issue is the &#8220;institutional wealth distribution&#8221; part of the BLT message:  1) it goes against what America stands for; 2) it&#8217;s a concept which is proven to lead to economic disaster.  It seems as if Barack does believe in this aspect of the BLT message &#8211; and that&#8217;s a deal breaker for me (though there are other deal breakers for me re: Barack).  However, the bad policy of &#8220;institutional wealth distribution&#8221; will sway very few voters.   It will sway me, and &#8230; maybe 150 other voters!  Heh.</p>
<p>Best luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: CtrlAltDel</title>
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		<dc:creator>CtrlAltDel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense but pleeeeeease don&#039;t patronize me with that &quot;feel for you&quot; stuff.  I&#039;m a counselor and most teenagers would laugh in your face for saying that. While I don&#039;t believe in Black liberation theology or liberation theology at all, I also do not believe that the Bible endorses a lot of views that the Christian right seems to think it does.  I&#039;m an ex-conservative and ex-fundamentalist (not saying that you are) and I think that more harm has been done by the Trojan Horse of &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot; than by any remote threat of BLT.  The wealthy have duped the well-intentioned people of the religious right for years with the remote and unattainable promise of repealing Roe vs. Wade, a decision that, if it were reversed tomorrow, could easily be reestablished the next time that the Supreme Court changes.  As judged by the Bush administration, compassionate conservatism has proven to be wastful (Iraq) and indifferent (Katrina).  I am less worried about Black Panthers storming the Capitol then I am about more and more money going to professional murderers inhabiting the ranks of Blackwater and a war that shows no true progress (check the McClatchy daily updates to see how much violence is really going on).  I must admit that, judging by your facts, I find it puzzling that he would attend such a church. After all, doesn&#039;t he have a white mother?  I will look into it myself.  Thank you for using facts that made me think.  Very few people do.  Also, if you want some good facts, check out David Cay Johnston&#039;s book &quot;Free Lunch&quot; and you will see where I&#039;m coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense but pleeeeeease don&#8217;t patronize me with that &#8220;feel for you&#8221; stuff.  I&#8217;m a counselor and most teenagers would laugh in your face for saying that. While I don&#8217;t believe in Black liberation theology or liberation theology at all, I also do not believe that the Bible endorses a lot of views that the Christian right seems to think it does.  I&#8217;m an ex-conservative and ex-fundamentalist (not saying that you are) and I think that more harm has been done by the Trojan Horse of &#8220;compassionate conservatism&#8221; than by any remote threat of BLT.  The wealthy have duped the well-intentioned people of the religious right for years with the remote and unattainable promise of repealing Roe vs. Wade, a decision that, if it were reversed tomorrow, could easily be reestablished the next time that the Supreme Court changes.  As judged by the Bush administration, compassionate conservatism has proven to be wastful (Iraq) and indifferent (Katrina).  I am less worried about Black Panthers storming the Capitol then I am about more and more money going to professional murderers inhabiting the ranks of Blackwater and a war that shows no true progress (check the McClatchy daily updates to see how much violence is really going on).  I must admit that, judging by your facts, I find it puzzling that he would attend such a church. After all, doesn&#8217;t he have a white mother?  I will look into it myself.  Thank you for using facts that made me think.  Very few people do.  Also, if you want some good facts, check out David Cay Johnston&#8217;s book &#8220;Free Lunch&#8221; and you will see where I&#8217;m coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: gcotharn</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcotharn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CntrlAltDel:

The problem is:  the founder of Black Liberation Theology, James Cone, named TUCC as the church which most embodies his BLT message.  McClatchey News quotes Cone from the 1980s:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Together, black religion and Marxist philosophy may show us the way to build a completely new society.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;and from April 2008:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I&#039;m not a Marxist. . . . I&#039;m a theologian, and I want to change society. I was searching for my way forward. I want a society in which people have the distribution of wealth, but I don&#039;t know how quite to do that institutionally.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here is Cone&#039;s most famous quote:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Barack&#039;s 20 years in the pews disqualifies him from garnering enough votes to become President - unless he 1) renounces BLT and TUCC, then 2) publicly repents from his bad judgment in belonging to a BLT church.  

Our nation is not about institutionally distributing wealth, and our nation is not about a &quot;white enemy&quot;.  It&#039;s unacceptable that Barack sat and listened to such pap for 20 years.  

BLT is - still is - THE theology of TUCC.  Voters will not believe Barack was absent when BLT economics and politics and theology was preached.  I don&#039;t believe it.  I believe Barack was attracted to TUCC because of BLT - as evidenced by his citation (in his book: &lt;i&gt;Dreams of My Father&lt;/i&gt;) of this Jeremiah Wright quote as being part of what originally attracted him to TUCC:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;White folks greed runs a world in need.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m uncertain if Christian theology, in and of itself, would&#039;ve had enough appeal to attract  Barack.  I think Barack was attracted by BLT&#039;s combination of wealth redistribution economics, racial politics, and Christian theology.

I feel for you, b/c this is bad news and you likely have wonderful hopes for Barack.  The good news is:  Americans love a sinner who confesses.  If Barack repents for sitting in those pews, America might love him even more for undertaking such a humble and sincere act.  My  gut tells me it would save his candidacy.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CntrlAltDel:</p>
<p>The problem is:  the founder of Black Liberation Theology, James Cone, named TUCC as the church which most embodies his BLT message.  McClatchey News quotes Cone from the 1980s:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;Together, black religion and Marxist philosophy may show us the way to build a completely new society.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>and from April 2008:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;I&#8217;m not a Marxist. . . . I&#8217;m a theologian, and I want to change society. I was searching for my way forward. I want a society in which people have the distribution of wealth, but I don&#8217;t know how quite to do that institutionally.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is Cone&#8217;s most famous quote:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community &#8230; Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
</p></blockquote>
<p>Barack&#8217;s 20 years in the pews disqualifies him from garnering enough votes to become President &#8211; unless he 1) renounces BLT and TUCC, then 2) publicly repents from his bad judgment in belonging to a BLT church.  </p>
<p>Our nation is not about institutionally distributing wealth, and our nation is not about a &#8220;white enemy&#8221;.  It&#8217;s unacceptable that Barack sat and listened to such pap for 20 years.  </p>
<p>BLT is &#8211; still is &#8211; THE theology of TUCC.  Voters will not believe Barack was absent when BLT economics and politics and theology was preached.  I don&#8217;t believe it.  I believe Barack was attracted to TUCC because of BLT &#8211; as evidenced by his citation (in his book: <i>Dreams of My Father</i>) of this Jeremiah Wright quote as being part of what originally attracted him to TUCC:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;White folks greed runs a world in need.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m uncertain if Christian theology, in and of itself, would&#8217;ve had enough appeal to attract  Barack.  I think Barack was attracted by BLT&#8217;s combination of wealth redistribution economics, racial politics, and Christian theology.</p>
<p>I feel for you, b/c this is bad news and you likely have wonderful hopes for Barack.  The good news is:  Americans love a sinner who confesses.  If Barack repents for sitting in those pews, America might love him even more for undertaking such a humble and sincere act.  My  gut tells me it would save his candidacy.</p>
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		<title>By: CtrlAltDel</title>
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		<dc:creator>CtrlAltDel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did it every occur to anyone that Obama may have quit the church to distance himself from the recent gaffs that have been made by those in the pulpit and that it had nothing to do with ideology?  Just because he belonged to TUCC didn&#039;t mean that he completely agreed with every statement out of Wright&#039;s mouth.  Also,  quitting the church doesn&#039;t mean he is renouncing any of his beliefs.  It is simply a smart way to distance himself from those people who intend to help him but end up damaging his image in the national media.  You can still consider people to be family but not show up at the family reunions when they embarass you.  What would you do if your friends and family were suddenly in the national spotlight?  I&#039;m sure that we all know of at least one person that we love dearly but whom we would tackle before we let them in front of a camera. Here&#039;s another thought... Maybe he quit to take the pressure of being in the crosshairs of the national media off of the church members he knew for 20 years?  Never thought about that, did we?  By the way, I think I just heard the ultra-liberal Marxist talk about Jesus Christ.  Apparently it doesn&#039;t count unless you are talking to a VFW crowd over the age of 60 who thinks immigrants are taking all of the fruitpicking jobs Americans want, that freedom must be preserved at any price (unless of course it&#039;s the freedom of gay people to marry), and who think Starbuck&#039;s coffee is too strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did it every occur to anyone that Obama may have quit the church to distance himself from the recent gaffs that have been made by those in the pulpit and that it had nothing to do with ideology?  Just because he belonged to TUCC didn&#8217;t mean that he completely agreed with every statement out of Wright&#8217;s mouth.  Also,  quitting the church doesn&#8217;t mean he is renouncing any of his beliefs.  It is simply a smart way to distance himself from those people who intend to help him but end up damaging his image in the national media.  You can still consider people to be family but not show up at the family reunions when they embarass you.  What would you do if your friends and family were suddenly in the national spotlight?  I&#8217;m sure that we all know of at least one person that we love dearly but whom we would tackle before we let them in front of a camera. Here&#8217;s another thought&#8230; Maybe he quit to take the pressure of being in the crosshairs of the national media off of the church members he knew for 20 years?  Never thought about that, did we?  By the way, I think I just heard the ultra-liberal Marxist talk about Jesus Christ.  Apparently it doesn&#8217;t count unless you are talking to a VFW crowd over the age of 60 who thinks immigrants are taking all of the fruitpicking jobs Americans want, that freedom must be preserved at any price (unless of course it&#8217;s the freedom of gay people to marry), and who think Starbuck&#8217;s coffee is too strong.</p>
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		<title>By: John Austin Personal training</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Austin Personal training</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people are reaching the conclusion that if Barack&#039;s belief system was not in line with the church he&#039;s attended for 20 years and his spiritual advisors, then he would have quit this church years ago.  My friend is a rabid Obama fan.  She traveled an hour and then waited five hours in line to see him. She is a broken-glass Democrat.  Today she expressed serious doubts about BHO.  I was shocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people are reaching the conclusion that if Barack&#8217;s belief system was not in line with the church he&#8217;s attended for 20 years and his spiritual advisors, then he would have quit this church years ago.  My friend is a rabid Obama fan.  She traveled an hour and then waited five hours in line to see him. She is a broken-glass Democrat.  Today she expressed serious doubts about BHO.  I was shocked.</p>
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		<title>By: gcotharn</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcotharn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The necessary concession is not leaving the church.  The necessary concessions are 

1) rebuking the church, and 
2) repenting from your acceptance of it&#039;s Marxist economics and it&#039;s racist ideology.

No one who endorses Black Liberation Theology can garner enough votes to be President ... UNLESS they repent their misguided ways.  Barack did not repent.  He said TUCC deserves no criticism.  

Barack is in a crisis, yet he doesn&#039;t seem to realize it.  Many voters who previously did not believe TUCC was racist ... will now (correctly) interpret Barack&#039;s leaving as admission that the church espoused some racist ideology.  These voters will wonder:  &lt;i&gt;Where is Barack&#039;s admission of and apology for his bad judgement in staying 20 years?&lt;/i&gt;  Barack is in crisis, and he appears blind to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The necessary concession is not leaving the church.  The necessary concessions are </p>
<p>1) rebuking the church, and<br />
2) repenting from your acceptance of it&#8217;s Marxist economics and it&#8217;s racist ideology.</p>
<p>No one who endorses Black Liberation Theology can garner enough votes to be President &#8230; UNLESS they repent their misguided ways.  Barack did not repent.  He said TUCC deserves no criticism.  </p>
<p>Barack is in a crisis, yet he doesn&#8217;t seem to realize it.  Many voters who previously did not believe TUCC was racist &#8230; will now (correctly) interpret Barack&#8217;s leaving as admission that the church espoused some racist ideology.  These voters will wonder:  <i>Where is Barack&#8217;s admission of and apology for his bad judgement in staying 20 years?</i>  Barack is in crisis, and he appears blind to it.</p>
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		<title>By: CeeHussein</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Timing is everything.

Former Clinton press secretary Dee Dee Myer&#039;s husband has a long and brutal piece in this month&#039;s Vanity Fair about the post-presidential life of Bill Clinton. The most explosive part of it is that it alleges that Bill Clinton carried on an affair with Walter Mondale&#039;s daughter while he was president.

We need to put an end to their dreams once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Timing is everything.</p>
<p>Former Clinton press secretary Dee Dee Myer&#8217;s husband has a long and brutal piece in this month&#8217;s Vanity Fair about the post-presidential life of Bill Clinton. The most explosive part of it is that it alleges that Bill Clinton carried on an affair with Walter Mondale&#8217;s daughter while he was president.</p>
<p>We need to put an end to their dreams once and for all.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Crittenden &#187; The Obamagony and the Hillecstacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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