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		<title>By: The End? Will Clinton Face the Music (or the Math)? &#124; Comments from Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>The End? Will Clinton Face the Music (or the Math)? &#124; Comments from Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] advance staff as well, and while this got some talking that maybe this was the signal to the end, I remained skeptical, as did my colleague, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DrGail</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/06/maybe-maybe-not/comment-page-1#comment-37711</link>
		<dc:creator>DrGail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey HTT, we&#039;re both in Hillary&#039;s key demographic.  (Okay, I&#039;m a year older than you, but what&#039;s a year among friends?)  I actually consider Hillary to be part of our generation, and we&#039;ve all endured (and overcome) the discrimination.

My greatest thrill (on this score) was when my niece recently confessed some embarrassment at enjoying the TV series &quot;Mad Men&quot; (which takes place circa 1960) because of the deplorable way the women characters are treated -- like second class citizens.  When I told her that women really were second class citizens in 1960 and that the show was historically accurate, she couldn&#039;t believe it.  In my mind, that&#039;s what the rest of us fought for:  so our daughters could live in a more gender-equal society.

So we&#039;ve earned the right to back whoever we think will be the best president, regardless of gender.  And I really do resent Hillary&#039;s supporters considering us to be misogynists just because we believe Obama will be the better candidate.  We&#039;ve paid our dues, and times have changed.

They remind me of those Japanese soldiers who wandered out of the jungle in the late 1950s and thought that WWII was still going on. . .   (snark!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey HTT, we&#8217;re both in Hillary&#8217;s key demographic.  (Okay, I&#8217;m a year older than you, but what&#8217;s a year among friends?)  I actually consider Hillary to be part of our generation, and we&#8217;ve all endured (and overcome) the discrimination.</p>
<p>My greatest thrill (on this score) was when my niece recently confessed some embarrassment at enjoying the TV series &#8220;Mad Men&#8221; (which takes place circa 1960) because of the deplorable way the women characters are treated &#8212; like second class citizens.  When I told her that women really were second class citizens in 1960 and that the show was historically accurate, she couldn&#8217;t believe it.  In my mind, that&#8217;s what the rest of us fought for:  so our daughters could live in a more gender-equal society.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;ve earned the right to back whoever we think will be the best president, regardless of gender.  And I really do resent Hillary&#8217;s supporters considering us to be misogynists just because we believe Obama will be the better candidate.  We&#8217;ve paid our dues, and times have changed.</p>
<p>They remind me of those Japanese soldiers who wandered out of the jungle in the late 1950s and thought that WWII was still going on. . .   (snark!)</p>
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		<title>By: Hold_That_Tiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hold_That_Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrGail I feel the same way: I am, in fact, in Clinton&#039;s demo, white, female, 52. I am of the generation that came immediately after Mrs. Clinton&#039;s and prehaps do not feel myself as emotionally tied to feminism being but a child when she and other women were fighting for parity? 

But I will also say, that I remember RFK (though I was only 12 when he ran, I have always been interested in Politics), and I have cherished RFK&#039;s memory since 1968, and hell yeah, it is my Idealism that drove me toward Obama and away from Hillary Clinton.

Sure I&#039;d be pisses if Clinton was getting the nod instead of Obama, I understand the anger, but the &quot;childish tantrum&quot; part of it...well I got over that myself, for awhile I thought that Hillary might seize the nomination, and thought, to heck with this, I like McCain, but then I came to my senses and felt that I would support the Party this year, and NOT the Candidate. Of course, I consider myself unusually rational...LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrGail I feel the same way: I am, in fact, in Clinton&#8217;s demo, white, female, 52. I am of the generation that came immediately after Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s and prehaps do not feel myself as emotionally tied to feminism being but a child when she and other women were fighting for parity? </p>
<p>But I will also say, that I remember RFK (though I was only 12 when he ran, I have always been interested in Politics), and I have cherished RFK&#8217;s memory since 1968, and hell yeah, it is my Idealism that drove me toward Obama and away from Hillary Clinton.</p>
<p>Sure I&#8217;d be pisses if Clinton was getting the nod instead of Obama, I understand the anger, but the &#8220;childish tantrum&#8221; part of it&#8230;well I got over that myself, for awhile I thought that Hillary might seize the nomination, and thought, to heck with this, I like McCain, but then I came to my senses and felt that I would support the Party this year, and NOT the Candidate. Of course, I consider myself unusually rational&#8230;LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: DrGail</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/06/maybe-maybe-not/comment-page-1#comment-37706</link>
		<dc:creator>DrGail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, HTT.  What&#039;s scary also is that the &quot;half crazed Hillary Supporters&quot; impress me as being so angry that they are beyond reasoning.  They&#039;re almost like children saying &quot;we&#039;ll vote for McCain and he&#039;ll be the next president and THEN you&#039;ll be sorry!&quot;

As a psychologist, I know that the best way to deal with them is to acknowledge their anger and disappointment.  To reassure them that their feelings are very natural and that, if the tables were turned, we&#039;d probably feel much the same way.  Then, once they&#039;ve calmed down, remind them of the real prize we&#039;re after, and ask what we can do to help them gear up for pursuing it.

As an Obama supporter, though, I genuinely resent being called a sexist simply because I choose the other candidate.  We&#039;ve made too many advances in women&#039;s rights (on the back of my -- and countless other women&#039;s -- sacrifices) to require my support for a woman candidate just because she&#039;s a woman candidate.  Slaves must side with other slaves if they ever hope to be free; free persons are free to chose whom they wish to side with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, HTT.  What&#8217;s scary also is that the &#8220;half crazed Hillary Supporters&#8221; impress me as being so angry that they are beyond reasoning.  They&#8217;re almost like children saying &#8220;we&#8217;ll vote for McCain and he&#8217;ll be the next president and THEN you&#8217;ll be sorry!&#8221;</p>
<p>As a psychologist, I know that the best way to deal with them is to acknowledge their anger and disappointment.  To reassure them that their feelings are very natural and that, if the tables were turned, we&#8217;d probably feel much the same way.  Then, once they&#8217;ve calmed down, remind them of the real prize we&#8217;re after, and ask what we can do to help them gear up for pursuing it.</p>
<p>As an Obama supporter, though, I genuinely resent being called a sexist simply because I choose the other candidate.  We&#8217;ve made too many advances in women&#8217;s rights (on the back of my &#8212; and countless other women&#8217;s &#8212; sacrifices) to require my support for a woman candidate just because she&#8217;s a woman candidate.  Slaves must side with other slaves if they ever hope to be free; free persons are free to chose whom they wish to side with.</p>
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		<title>By: Hold_That_Tiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hold_That_Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry McCaulife was just on Morning Joe insisting that the fight continues on. (BTW, what is old Terry on and where can I get me some?) ugh...can it just be over so we can get on to the serious fight? I am so sick of seeing half crazed Hillary Supporters exclaiming loudly and shrilly that they will bite off their nose to spite their face and vote for John McCain...John McCain for crying out loud. This is the same McCain that dumped his cancer survivor first wife, the one who waited for him for the long years of his imprisonment, for 24 yr old Cindy when he was 42 years old, this is the same McCain that made a truly ugly  homophobic &quot;joke&quot; about mrs Clinton and her then 12 year old daughter, the same McCain who has called his wife a c**t in public, the same McCain who has made it a goal to strike down Roe v Wade. It is extraordinary when you think about it; McCain is a classic sexist male in the style of his generation, and the Hillary women are going to vote for him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry McCaulife was just on Morning Joe insisting that the fight continues on. (BTW, what is old Terry on and where can I get me some?) ugh&#8230;can it just be over so we can get on to the serious fight? I am so sick of seeing half crazed Hillary Supporters exclaiming loudly and shrilly that they will bite off their nose to spite their face and vote for John McCain&#8230;John McCain for crying out loud. This is the same McCain that dumped his cancer survivor first wife, the one who waited for him for the long years of his imprisonment, for 24 yr old Cindy when he was 42 years old, this is the same McCain that made a truly ugly  homophobic &#8220;joke&#8221; about mrs Clinton and her then 12 year old daughter, the same McCain who has called his wife a c**t in public, the same McCain who has made it a goal to strike down Roe v Wade. It is extraordinary when you think about it; McCain is a classic sexist male in the style of his generation, and the Hillary women are going to vote for him?</p>
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		<title>By: The Mahablog &#187; The Magic Tape</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/06/maybe-maybe-not/comment-page-1#comment-37693</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mahablog &#187; The Magic Tape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] campaign is heading back to New York and shedding staff. Getting ready to concede? Kyle Moore says maybe, maybe not. (See also &#8220;Breaking: Larry Johnson Lost His Last [...]</description>
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