Comments on: Fun With Maps http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/07/fun-with-maps Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:39:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: gcotharn http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/07/fun-with-maps/comment-page-1#comment-40335 gcotharn Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:23:38 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4545#comment-40335 I visit Kathy's posts to sample interesting heterogenous thought, and to engage in interesting conversation. It's why I visited your posting, Matt, one time. I don't define "troll" as someone who disagrees with a blogger. I define it as someone who roils for the purpose of roiling; who does not defend their assertions in good faith - and who really never had intention of doing so. I visit Kathy’s posts to sample interesting heterogenous thought, and to engage in interesting conversation. It’s why I visited your posting, Matt, one time.

I don’t define “troll” as someone who disagrees with a blogger. I define it as someone who roils for the purpose of roiling; who does not defend their assertions in good faith – and who really never had intention of doing so.

]]> By: matttbastard http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/07/fun-with-maps/comment-page-1#comment-40334 matttbastard Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:48:15 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4545#comment-40334 I see our pet concern troll has yet to scurry back under his bridge. Shame. I see our pet concern troll has yet to scurry back under his bridge.

Shame.

]]> By: gcotharn http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/07/fun-with-maps/comment-page-1#comment-40329 gcotharn Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:59:26 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4545#comment-40329 And this morning Obama says: <i>"Israel is a strong friend of Israel." </i> This is completely analagous to McCain's "Iraq/Pakistan border" gaffe. Does it merit the launch of a thousand posts + much irresistible snark? Nah. Failing to win votes is not about the gaffes. It's about the blunders. And this morning Obama says: “Israel is a strong friend of Israel.” This is completely analagous to McCain’s “Iraq/Pakistan border” gaffe. Does it merit the launch of a thousand posts + much irresistible snark? Nah. Failing to win votes is not about the gaffes. It’s about the blunders.

]]> By: gcotharn http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/07/fun-with-maps/comment-page-1#comment-40328 gcotharn Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:53:54 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4545#comment-40328 From the right, I am not that interested in "57 states" or "8 to 10 years", except to note the double standard that such statements - if coming from McCain - would be widely promoted as proof of encroaching senility. I do think undecided voters might notice a distasteful lack of humility in the "8 to 10 years" assumption of a two term presidency. Undecided voters might notice the lack of humility + lack of historical understanding in the <i>Brandenburg Gate + Hitler Columns</i> speech locations. Undecided voters might notice the logical fallacy of Obama using European adoration as justification for American votes. Undecided voters might think: <i>We are not Europe. We fled Europe. Thank God we did. </i> From the left - b/c you share European opinion on so many issues: European adoration looks like a wonderful thing. Undecided voters maybe do not share so many European policy opinions as the left does. Undecided voters might notice Obama's ignorant dismissal of Gen. Petraeus' disagreement with a 16 month timetable(quoting Obama from memory): <i>"The people here in Iraq are interested in doing this job. I have to think of both Iraq and Afghanistan."</i> Undecided voters might be informed enough to know, as Obama does not, that Gen. Petraeus commands both Iraq and Afghanistan. Undecided voters might notice that - if Obama is stripped of his illegitimate dismissal of Petraeus as a lackey for Iraq: Obama is then effectively declaring he is more militarily knowledgable about how to withdraw from combat than is Gen. Petraeus. Undecided voters might notice Obama is then also declaring he is more knowledgable than Gen. Petraeus about counterinsurgency conditions on the ground. Undecided voters might notice (from a trip interview with Terry Moran of ABC) Obama's repudiation of hard timetables for withdrawal. Undecided voters might say to themselves: <i>"Obama simply cannot be trusted. No one, not even the kids at Comments From Left Field, knows how Obama will govern. He has repudiated his own positions on 20 issues."</i> The left-side ecstasy of the trip photos and the coming (heh) Euro pep rally goes on, yet I wonder: Will the trip actually help Obama with undecided voters? From the right, I am not that interested in “57 states” or “8 to 10 years”, except to note the double standard that such statements – if coming from McCain – would be widely promoted as proof of encroaching senility.

I do think undecided voters might notice a distasteful lack of humility in the “8 to 10 years” assumption of a two term presidency.

Undecided voters might notice the lack of humility + lack of historical understanding in the Brandenburg Gate + Hitler Columns speech locations.

Undecided voters might notice the logical fallacy of Obama using European adoration as justification for American votes. Undecided voters might think: We are not Europe. We fled Europe. Thank God we did. From the left – b/c you share European opinion on so many issues: European adoration looks like a wonderful thing. Undecided voters maybe do not share so many European policy opinions as the left does.

Undecided voters might notice Obama’s ignorant dismissal of Gen. Petraeus’ disagreement with a 16 month timetable(quoting Obama from memory): “The people here in Iraq are interested in doing this job. I have to think of both Iraq and Afghanistan.” Undecided voters might be informed enough to know, as Obama does not, that Gen. Petraeus commands both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Undecided voters might notice that – if Obama is stripped of his illegitimate dismissal of Petraeus as a lackey for Iraq: Obama is then effectively declaring he is more militarily knowledgable about how to withdraw from combat than is Gen. Petraeus. Undecided voters might notice Obama is then also declaring he is more knowledgable than Gen. Petraeus about counterinsurgency conditions on the ground.

Undecided voters might notice (from a trip interview with Terry Moran of ABC) Obama’s repudiation of hard timetables for withdrawal. Undecided voters might say to themselves: “Obama simply cannot be trusted. No one, not even the kids at Comments From Left Field, knows how Obama will govern. He has repudiated his own positions on 20 issues.”

The left-side ecstasy of the trip photos and the coming (heh) Euro pep rally goes on, yet I wonder: Will the trip actually help Obama with undecided voters?

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