Who is the Mother of Trig Paxon Van Palin?
See Update below.
If it’s Sarah Palin, why is she distinctly not pregnant in a photograph which was apparently taken on Super Tuesday, which is in February, when, as Jazz Shaw points out, Palin would have been about six months along in her pregnancy?
Keep in mind, before we wind up the Friday night activities in Blogistan, that this is still only ten hours after the announcement of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s VP announcement caught so many of us flat-footed. In ten hours, though, the hits keep on coming. Let’s take a quick look at a few more.
The first one, and possibly the most tawdry of the bunch, came via several e-mails which arrived after the announcement here at Jazz Headquarters. Check out this picture of Sarah Palin from Super Tuesday this year.
It’s a nice shot, but according to at least once source it was taken on Super Tuesday. That’s in February. At that point, Palin should have been six months pregnant with her last child. It does make me wonder if the following will turn into a story.
…the oldest girl is rumored to have actually been the one who had the last baby, the one with Down’s Syndrome. She was taken out of school the last 4 or 5 months of her mother’s pregnancy.
On March 5th, 2008 Alaska’s Republican Governor, Sarah Palin, announced to the media that she was 7 months pregnant with her 5th child. She is currently 44.
Palin’s daughter Bristol is 16 and attends an Anchorage high school. Students who have attended class with her report that she has been out of school for months, claiming a prolonged case of mono.
Palin does not appear pregnant in any recent photographs. The announcement came as quite a shock to people who had worked closely with her, and have been quoted as saying that she did not appear pregnant whatsoever during the prior 7 months. While this is debatable, you can judge for yourself here: http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php
(Ed Note: That link has since died since we first looked at it. The pictures were removed today.)
IF there is anything to this story, there are two issues as I see them. First, and most obvious, is the honesty issue. Why would Palin have lied about who the mother was? Which leads to the second issue: If Bristol Palin IS the mother, how does she feel about all this? If the story is true, and Sarah Palin lied to spare her daughter embarrassment or emotional pain, what does that say about how Bristol Palin felt about the pregnancy itself?
The fact that the photographs of Sarah Palin at a time when she would have appeared to be pregnant, if she really was, were taken down and the link killed, is a little odd if there’s nothing to the story.
UPDATE: Blogtopia is starting to pick up on this story. I’ll keep checking Memeorandum to see how the discussion goes.
UPDATE #2: Obama’s official response.
137 Responses to “Who is the Mother of Trig Paxon Van Palin?”
It gets weirder. It’s reported that her water broke while she was at a conference in Texas, where afterwards she proceeded to give a half hour speech then fly home to give birth in Alaska. I’m not kidding:
I just check Alaska Airlines website to see how long a flight from Austin to Anchorage takes: 11-12 hours.
As a friend and mother I’m talking with just told me, babies tend to come out faster with each one you’ve had. This would have been the governor’s fifth. So her water breaks in Texas, where she proceeds to give a speech, then make a 11-12 flight home to deliver the baby in Alaska? Say wha?
[...] Sarah Palin announced on March 5 2008 that she was in her 7th month of pregnancy with her fifth child. Bristol Palin was absent from her high school in Anchorage during her mother’s last 4-5 months of pregnancy. The excuse given was a long case of mono. Sarah Palin did not look pregnant in her past 10 months of her alleged pregnancy. The link to her recent, official photos during her months of pregnancy, was removed. A commentator wrote that a flight from Austin to Anchorage would take 11-12 hours. So Gov. Sarah Palin endured her labor pains or leakage discomfort for 11-12 hours for the duration of the flight to give birth to Trig Palin in Alaska. The person who wrote this explanation of Sarah Palin’s stork delivery has experienced heroic, prolonged childbirth pangs of pain. (Source) [...]
Listen.
Palin wasn’t pregnant. Look at this video and become a media sensation, before they take it down. Make copies.
http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/02/20/my-visit-to-juneau-alaska/
Interesting.. But, since the burden of proof is paramount here, I have to point out that while the show was posted on Feb. 20, there is nothing indicating when it was actually taped. So while Feb. 20 would mean that Gov. Palin was 6 months pregnant, we can’t say she was six months pregnant for this show. It could have been taped last year and posted later for all we know,
She could be pregnant in that video and hiding it. Need better proof, period. Keep working though.
This is SHAMEFUL behavior from all the people who were rightly appalled at the vicious, irresponsible attacks on Obama and whether he is a Muslim, etc.
Surely there will be plenty of red meat to chew on regarding Palin’s record and actual qualifications to lead, that this kind of cesspool-diving is unnecessary. The political blogosphere (for both parties) is as morally bankrupt and broken as any political administration could ever try to be.
Since when are women in their last trimester permitted to fly, unless cleared by a doctor?
I thought you couldn’t board a plane to anywhere from seven months on, unless she had specific doctor’s clearance. And she flew only six weeks before her due date? She took a chance that at her advanced age and with her fifth pregnancy (assuming she has not aborted or miscarried in the past) that nothing would happen during the last six weeks?
That’s just reckless and shows really poor judgement.
Something is definitely fishy here…..
I don’t know, could be her fitness level but no matter how you slice it, that late in pregnancy you’re usually short of breath. She really doesn’t look pregnant here. Then again, you’d need to confirm when this was filmed. I’m also a mom of 3, my 2nd and 3rd bellies were much larger than the first. Then again, maybe she just has great abs?
mom of three — It just keeps getting more interesting, doesn’t it? I’ve talked with a mother who said that skinny figure at six months is still possible, depending on the person. But everything else aboutt this matter.. The water breaking in Texas, the flight back, being cleared for a flight in general… All eyebrow raisers.
What will it be then??
Sarah Palin Lied! A Child Survived!
Errr wait……
My best friend wore her regular, non-maternity jeans up until her 8th month, and she also wore them home from the hospital.
This is stupid.
This is unsubstantiated trash.
Until there is some serious evidence — birth certificates, an obstetrician speaking out — this is just a thoroughly despicable rumor.
A rumor which enables the right wing to ignore the very valid problems with Sarah Palin and smear all attacks on her as lies and insinuations.
What is wrong with you? Do you really think it’s ok to start rumors like this about a 17 year old child?
Maybe you’ll get lucky and she’ll kill herself.
I wonder if Palin realizes what she’s just done to her kids.
Nancypants — the rumor’s been around for awhile, it’s just getting broader airplay now that she’s on the national stage.
Here’s my question. Well, two actually.
1) Was this fifth pregnancy planned? If not, why the h*** not? Was she just trying to prove some misbegotten point that she could run a state and breast feed at the same time?
2) If she knew, because of prenatal testing (most likely amnio), that she was carrying a child with Down’s — who are at very high risk for heart defects, AND was also at high risk for premature labor given her age — what in her right mind would have her accepting speaking engagements half a day BY AIR from her home? And then FLYING BACK when she was in labor, instead of going to the best damn high-risk L&D hospital where she was?
If these are the kinds of decisions she makes in regards to the health of her baby in uetero, I sure as h*** don’t want her making any kind of decisions on behalf of my kids up on the Hill.
Well I did some google image searches and found some interesting things …
I found 2 pics from March. One has been scrubbed and the other is still up.
This is still up:
http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/2008-04-alaska-governor-sarah-palin-2.jpg
This is no longer available even tho the holding page is there.
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9/sarah_palin
I’m no OBGYN, but I have a hard time believing that she is pregnant in either photo.
News stories say she gave birth at 6:30 AM on 18Apr08 and that labor started when she was in TX at the Republican Governors Association convention. 10 - 11 hour flight from TX to AK. Would any airline in the world allow a woman who’s water broke to fly??
Here is a link to The Anchorage Daily News reporting the story of the birth
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html
Like the 16-year-old gymnasts in China, this ain’t six months pregnant.
Why? What is the motivation? ANSWER: Medical costs. If through early diagnosis, you know that you’ve got a baby with Down’s Syndrome, that means a lifetime of care will likely be involved. What would a smart, politically connected Republican do in this case?
I think it is clear. She claimed the child as her own in order to take on the financial responsibility for her daugher, who clearly would not be able to provide adequately for the child.
I think we have fraud, folks.
Add to all of this that she returned to her office three days later. (That fact that was added into her Wikipedia entry just a day before her nomination became known.) Yeah, a 44 year old mother with a down syndrome baby makes a very quick recovery, returns to office, and brags about it.
Oh boy. This woman is toast.
“Three days after giving birth, Palin returned to work in her Anchorage office, accompanied by Trig and her husband.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-05-10-4082128881_x.htm
If she chose to raise her daughter’s child, which I am willing to believe is true, that’s her ‘choice.’ However, she has made this a campaign issue by thrusting that poor child in front of every camera possible to illustrate, ‘oh look how pro-life I am, I even gave birth to a disabled baby when I didn’t need to.’
The McCains have a mentally disabled daughter as well, but they have the decency to care about her well-being enough to not whore her out for political gain. If the rumor proves to be true, Sarah Palin made this fair game by using her family as one of her only qualifications for VP
This report has Palin posing for Vogue magazine on December 12, 2007 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/governor-poses-for-vogue/2371148171)
If her baby was due in Mid-May that would have put her 4 months pregnant at the time. Now how many Women you’re aware of would volunteer for their 1st major magazine fashion shoot while 4 months pregnant?
I’d love to see some pictures/video of this governor’s association speech that occurred (in the official story) after her water broke.
If this were based entirely on the fact that Palin didn’t look pregnant in March (bror, your photo comes through fine; it hasn’t been scrubbed), it would be stupid. Lots of women, even some thin as twigs, give birth without anyone knowing they were expecting.
But, three things. First, Palin is interviewing for one of the powerful and well-paid jobs on the planet. You can bet that if she were interviewing for CFO of General Foods and a question came out about whether she was engaged in a scheme to conceal a daughter’s pregnancy, there would be an investigation. Even her version– that she endangered the child’s life by flying while in labor– would be grounds to call into question her judgment. If we allow these questions when it’s a matter of handling the public’s investments, they can’t be off-limits when the job duties involve handling the public’s lives.
Second, I saw the photo of her daughter before it was scrubbed and before I had heard there were questions. The first response I had was, “Gee, that girl certainly looks pregnant.” I think it’s reasonable for Kathy to ask the question.
This is a picture showing Bristol Palin (and the rest of her family) in 2007, though it’s not clear what month.
But, is this what we want to spend our energy on? I don’t think so. Palin is only important in that she represents John McCain’s judgment on the important matter of who is fit to be president. This is a person with several ethical clouds hanging over her, possessing an extremist philosophy that most Americans reject, and reportedly exhibiting little interest in governing. McCain chose someone I don’t want running government and I will vote accordingly.
Can you find any pics of the daughter from around the same period?
when actresses are pregnant on tv shows, they are always holding something in front of them, or are shown sitting down … in most of the available pictures I have seen she is doing the same thing … but I can’t imagine the flying thing, especially in this day and age of telecommunication. She could have made the speech remotely frome Alaska. and I would have gone directly to a hospital … my first was 24 hours, my 2nd about 8 from when the water broke and he almost died. My 3rd was 5 hours from my first labor pain … But I doubt that anyone will ever be able to prove anything … small towns like that would likely band together to protect their own.
8 months?
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/345168.html
> If she chose to raise her daughter’s child, which I am
> willing to believe is true, that’s her ‘choice.’
Or, say, insurance fraud? I’m sure there are a number of crimes involved here. You choose.
charles - I agree … no one from the campaign or the dems should try and attack her. As much as I don’t agree with her politics, I admire her for choosing a life as a public servant. Also agreed - she is not the issue but McCain’s judgment is. If she has made a very difficult decision to support and protect her family, agreed as well. But you don’t stand as the 1st in the line of succession if you have something like this in your past. Like it or not, her personal life now belongs to the American public.
Here is a picture of her daughter pregnant —->
http://www.mediatakeout.com/26264/stunning_rumor_mccains_vp_choice_may_have_hid_daughters_pregnancy__claimed_the_baby_as_her_own_.html
Feb 26 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dakotafine/2301710878/
Feb 25th at the White House
http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/Images/GovsPortraitNGA2008Large.jpg
Part of me wants to say that this is none of our business (and I don’t want to fall into the same trap that many right-wingers have when attacking Obama), but if she really has lied about this matter then it is something that we deserve to know about. True, there’s an element to it that is admirable — trying to spare her daughter — but I’m not sure that doing something like this is the right choice for anyone, much less someone running for high office. To lie to the public about something like this does put her honesty in question, and I do think it’s a matter of public interest since it would affect her performance in office during and after the pregnancy.
Here is a good story that has detail on the flight etc …
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/
It adds info to debunks the airline policy issue and gives good explanation on some issues about her choices for flying (no comment on her judgment TO fly)
The announcement of her pregnancy in the Anchorage Daily News and discussion
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/339576.html
Baby was expected in May?
‘Yolanda Wray, 41, runs a branch of First National Bank. Like Palin, she’s expecting a baby in May. She plans to work right up until the day she delivers. “Gosh she looks good,” Wray said of Palin. “I feel like a hippopotamus and I look like one too.”
…also…
Palin told reporters she’d had her last child, when she was Wasilla mayor, on a Monday and was been back at work on Tuesday.
You know, I never saw the announcement of what hospital the baby was born at. Isn’t that customary? In any case, I do not know if this is a fake story (Obama birth certificate) or not. But it is interesting to follow.
I just watched the video from the Alaska Pod Show. Now, was that DECAF coffee the pregnant governor had?
Check out the police report for Bristol Palin for February 8, 2008
Wasilla Police Department
On February 8, 2008, at 1737 hours, Wasilla Police responded to two vehicle collision at Seward Meridian Parkway and Fireweed Drive . Investigation revealed that Bristol Palin, age 17 of Wasilla, was driving a 4-door sedan and attempted to turn into a business when she struck a 2-door sedan driven by Joshua Moffet, age 19, of Wasilla. Palin was issued a citation for Failing to Use Due Care to Avoid a Collision. Moffet was issued a citation for an expired registration and no proof of insurance.
Here’s the linky:
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/02/12/local_news/for_the_record/doc47b15d2cb6df0732991573.txt
Someone needs to find Josh Moffet right now and find out if this chick was showing a baby bump.
If the previous poster cut and pasted correctly, then the Frontiersman collision report has already been scrubbed of Bristol Palin’s name. Things are getting very Orwellian. I am scared!
The gent from the Alaska walking tours notes that he had no indication she was 7 months pregnant despite hoofing all over Juneau with her:
http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-pregnancy-scandal/
All of the information is here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
You know… I just wanted to mention that I feel ethically okay about this.
I found Josh’s myspace page, the one in the car accident with Bristol…
http://www.myspace.com/joshm2012
The scene of Bristol’s accident is the Family Medicine Center of Alaska - why would she have been is Wasilla if she lives in the Capitol and her “mono” is so severe that she must be out of school for 4 or 5 months.
The frontiersman article is bogus. Here is the the google cache from August 19th:
A Wasilla 17-year-old was driving a four-door sedan and attempted to turn into a business when she struck a two-door sedan
No name then, no name now.
I take it back… here is somebody’s blog transcription (google cache August 10th) of the police report. The accident really did happen, I guess.
In most cases a law enforcement agency should never release the name of a minor on public record documents
funny … i think McCain is going to get jealous of her, she is stealing his spotlight
Is Sarah Palin tall? Seems like an odd question but I am 6′1″ and I hardly showed anything until my seventh month of any of my pregnancies because my height hides them very well, and I had 8 lb, 21 inch babies while my guess is that Trig was much smaller.
I was very thin and 21 years old when my first son was born. I was in college and did not keep the pregnancy a secret but was going about my business attending classes and socializing mostly within the married student housing apartments.
Outside our own fourplex of apartments, hardly anyone in our complex even knew I was pregnant, and numerous individuals in my classes and building were utterly shocked to see me with a baby afterward, and I had to convince them I’d been pregnant and the baby was mine.
Tall women (and it also appears that while slender, Gov. Palin is solidly built) do not show as much in their pregnancies. And if she was disguising it to avoid inviting the press into her personal life, she seemed to be wearing the right jackets and tops to hide it.
The family photo that shows Bristol Palin in an aqua-green sweater and jeans: don’t you think if she HAD been six months pregnant in the photo they would have been more careful? If I’d been trying to hide her pregnancy, I’d have had her in a less form fitting top and possibly had Piper standing in front of her to hide her belly.
To me, that photo proves that Bristol was not pregnant, but is simply a young woman of shape.
Why would they not work harder to hide her pregnancy in the photos?
p.s. I am an Obama supporter, but feel this is a ridiculous smear campaign. Even as a lesser known governor, the fact that a far right wing female governor was having her fifth child, who’d been tested as having Down Syndrome in vitro, got out, it would be inviting the press into their private lives. I can see wearing some loose jackets and being tight lipped to prevent it.
I guess she made her children the center of attention it is fair game. as a mother of 4 children a democrats, pro- choice although I never abort a child but that does not mean I don’t need a choice. This woman wants man to walk all over her. we all know how those republican evangelical can be nasty and hypocrtical. I have respect for that lady however as mother I do not see how she will pull it off especially with that down syndrom baby. I see neglection and recklesness.
All I can say is good luck too her! she has big dream though, but she should have process it before letting insane McCain takes advantage of her. that’s what happened when you have to much ambition and the wrong one. For Mcain to think because she is a women who has 5 kids and maried, women will vote for him is a bad dream, Republican is trying to make history just because democrats is making, that is ashame!
As far for that baby Palin is crazy for putting her daughter in that situation, that shows me bad judgement and irresponsible, she put her career first than her familily apparently she has the bible backward. Why putting her 17 year old in the national spotlight.? As a christian your house should be in order, If there is nothing to shame,
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Amy of the Lakes, one defining characteristic of smears is that they are false and known to be so (or so poorly examined that repeating them is reckless). Calling Barack Obama a secret Muslim is a smear.
I would wish that you would go and read Free Republic from time to time. On there, you will learn that the right regards anyone who isn’t with them as vermin. They publicize phone numbers and addresses of political opponents. Sometimes they boast of committing crimes against political opponents. They endlessly circulate hate and lies. They are thugs.
People left of that are going to have to get accustomed to this simple fact of life: to keep people like that from controlling government and using it to kill and torture innocent people, despoil the world, and waste–no, steal– the national treasure, you are going to have to stop second-guessing legitimate challenges to right-wing political leaders.
In this case, we have someone applying for one of the top jobs in the country. If this were private business, she’d be vetted a lot more thoroughly than the press is likely to do. She has potential ethical problems already, starting from the fact that she managed to see no evil in a state party so corrupt that most of its leaders are under indictment. She’s under investigation for abusing her power to protect a relative from a flawed, perhaps abusive brother-in-law. Now there’s reason to wonder whether she is lying to protect her family from shame. It’s a fair question.
Sure, this is a story about which everyone concerned should be careful and sensitive. That doesn’t mean muzzling ourselves. I would appreciate it if you would not label conversation about a sensitive topic a “smear.” Joe McCarthy would sneer at you.
Looks preggers here (April 10th):
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/searchbrowse?q=palin&uname=&psc=G&filter=1#9
but check out other photos on site.
dailylife.com has a lot of new (undated) pics provided by Gov. Palin’s family (the Heath family).
This one shows her clearly pregnant.
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0aFc47u3szeI6/Sarah_Palin
To jeff, re: the photo you just linked to:
1> Check out the clothes, glasses, hairstyles of the two women. This is clearly a photo that’s at least several years old, and can’t be of her recent pregnancy. She looks radically different–hairstyle, glasses, etc. from all the photos taken of her in the past 2 years. This has to be from one of her pregnancies with one of her other 4 kids.
2> Also, this photo shows what Sarah Palin actually looks like at about 7-9 months pregnant. She’s totally showing, in a big way. And that’s pretty different from any of the pictures we;ve been seeing of her supposed “pregnancy” with kid #5.
Interesting that a baby born one month early weighs 6 pounds 2 ounces (http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html). A newborn is considered to be a low birth weight if under 5 pounds 8 ounces (http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1153.asp). Assuming the expected date was 40 weeks, that would make the baby born at 36 weeks, which the weight range can be from 4.5 up to 6 pounds (http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1157.asp). A baby with Down’s Syndrome typically is 10 to 20% below the average birth weight (http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/322.html). Mothers who don’t gain enough weight during their pregnancy increase the risk of the baby having a low birth weight baby. Women of average weight should gain 25 to 30 pounds during the pregnancy (http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1153.asp). So with all these odds stacked against poor little Trig, it is quite surprising that he was born a healthy weight. Also with all the risks associated with premature birth, you would think that a pro-life loving mother would get straight to hospital rather than traveling for 14 hours to an out of the way hospital which doesn’t mention anything about premature care on their website:
http://www.matsuregional.com/getpage.php?name=services_obstetrics&sub=Services#
Also Trig is not listed on the Mat-Su Hospital baby birth list on their website. I guess they would need permission to list the babies but it is still interesting…
http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_name.php?start=60&step=30&count=503
This goes to show how right wing fundamentalist pro-life views like Sarah Palin’s destroy the lives of teenage girls. If it does turn out that her daughter is in fact the mother, how terrible that she has put her daughter through such a horrible public experience. Apart from the option of not being in this situation at all if she had had proper sex ed and access to contraception and abortion, this girl could have been proudly holding this baby as her own instead of being shamed into hiding away and having her baby forcibly taken away. Is this what we want for our daughters? By having a president and vice president who are both staunchly and stubbornly opposed to the right to choose we risk eliminating the women’s rights we have worked so hard to claim and turning back the clock to the 50s and times of hidden shameful pregnancies, babies ripped away from the arms of teenage mothers, and dangerous backyard abortions and attempts to miscarry. Is America a first world country or a third world country?
jeff,
the [undated] dailylife photo you linked to is laughable at best.
lindy,
your response is dead on. there is no way either one of those outfits have been touched in the last decade [at least]. if i had to guess, i’d say it is early 90s and that’d be… bristol.
Suppose Sarah Palin did claim her daughter’s child as her own. What legal implications, if any, would this have? For instance, the baby will presumably be listed as her child for IRS purposes, and covered by her health insurance… Wouldn’t this be considered fraud?
Not to mention, she would have had to lie to her staff, friends, and the American public in general.
Most of all, as an anti-abortion executive, she would make the private lives and pregnancy decisions of every other woman in America a public matter potentially enforcable by jailtime. This obviates any claim to her own pregnancy decisions being accorded any privacy respect. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.
I think there may be something to this story.
The flight home was medically unsound - older moms can deliver quickly.
However, it is rare for a teenager to have a Downs baby and commoner for an older mom.
I dont know who said this, but being VP is NOT one of the highest paid jobs in the world. how ridiculous!
and whos damn business is it if your water is leaking if she did fly on an airline (which i doubt) i mean DUH, what are, they vaginally giving her a litmus test to check it or something? oh, and since she was rather small, she didnt look to be 36-37 weeks which is the cut off for most major airlines.
and a LOT of women in AK fly to give birth. its a normal thing there. maybe not the length of the flight but flying somewhere else to do it is definitely normal.
sheesh people!
e world would it be illegal to claim on your taxes a child which youve decided to raise? its called adoption. is this hard to understand? oh, or maybe shes just raising him in the public, hes with his “real” mom at home. then what? whats illegal?
its almost impossible unless genetically theres a problem for a 16yo to have a downs baby. a 44yo..its VERY likely.
i was fine within a few MINUTES of birth. no hurting, pain, or anything and no stitches or anything else to hinder me. i could have easily gone back to whats a no physical labor job, especially WITH THE BABY and daddy and any number of assistants right there to take care of him and me if i needed something!
this is all ridiculous without there being any proof, or anyone involved in the pregnancy speaking out at all in favor of her not being pregnant.
Here’s more fuel for the fire. Palin was REALLY upset when the Alaska Supreme Court ruled the law requiring abortion consent bill was unconstitutional last fall. In reality the girls who end up requiring this, are often victims of incest, but that’s a whole other story.
I remember following this how Palin was so driven to get this back onto the legislature. I know this is coincidental and all but I’m really interested in knowing if she had a more personal reason for her interest and pursuit of this legislation????
I’m sure a lot of women fly to give birth in Alaska, but they would fly to a hospital from a place with no hospital.
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I don’t think the photographs tell us much because many women do not show. Also, she may have worn larger clothes or eaten more to make herself look more pregnant so this is not telling.
The things that seem suspicious are
1. The fact that her daughter was pulled out of school at exactly the same time that Palin was pregnant. Nobody has “mono” for five months without being hospitalized. If there is no record of hospitalization then this is very suspicious. This is too much of a coincidence. Also, we know her daughter was driving around because she got in an accident so if she was well enough to drive around alaska, why wasn’t she well enough to go to school. This is such a common lie told when a young woman is pregnant.
2. It is extraordinary that a middle-aged woman pregnant with a down’s syndrome baby would choose to fly, and fly for so long, after her water broke. Nobody can predict how long labor will last, especially since later children tend to come more quickly. Almost all women I know would have remained in Texas. However, this makes sense if Palin was rushing home because Bristol was in labor and she needed to be in the same place as the baby when it was born.
When we combine these coincidences with the fact that people in her office also did not think she looked pregnant and she doesn’t look pregnant in photos, then this becomes increasingly suspicious.
This is such a common lie. (Grandmothers pretending to be mothers to protect their daughters.) It happens all of the time, and it always will.
The problem is that the liar is a vice-presidential candidate who also supports shooting wolves from airplanes. destroying ANWR, removing Polar Bears from the threatened species list, has more than once abused her power, and left little Wasilia, Alaska a mess before becoming Governor.
the funny thing is I have seen ZERO evidence to support the claims that her daughter was pulled out of school … pictures there are plenty and there are a handful of news stories about the flight from TX to AK … but show me the records from the school that say she was pulled out for several months since I have seen nothing on that point
Some women do not show pregnancy even at late stages and yes, her choice to fly and her choice to return to work several days after raises questions (guess the job was more of a priority than the new baby, and I have personal doubts that Alaska’s “First Dude” is the actual primary care giver)
but all in all there is still NO credible evidence as of yet ( I say this as someone who has posted to this thread several times)
That aside, I still think she is a bigger media hog than McCain and that he will become jealous of her stealing his spotlight, he is used to being a one-man-band and now we are all obsessed with her, he seems b o r i n g in comparison
Wonder how she will be holding up 1 month from now? one thing about these “inside the beltway” types, they train for this level of competition, stress and media focus and so can handle it. She’s got chops, I will give her that and in 4-5 years I think we would see her on the main stage. So the question is: will she be able to hold up? Will the relationship between her and JM stand the strain? Will Cindy “I’m Offended” McCain become jealous of John’s wondering eye?
Stay tuned for tomorrow’s episode of Days of Our Lives …
Of course she didn’t lie about having a baby to cover up her daughter’s pregnancy.
The Governor, a vocal anti-choice Republican, chose to return to Alaska to have her 5th child despite the following risk factors:
1. She was leaking amniotic fluid (her water broke) increasing the risk of infection.
2. She was 44 years old, a risky age for childbirth.
3. The baby she was carrying had known “special challenges” (down syndrome)
4. The child was one full month premature.
5. She flew from Texas to Alaska on a commercial airline (Alaska Airlines) while while leaking amniotic fluid, a 10 or more hour flight depending on the length and location of her layover.
6. She did not inform any of the airline staff of her condition.
However, Gregg Erickson, a reporter from the Anchorage Daily News, told the Daily Kos that the rumors had been investigated and debunked.
So it appears that these behaviors are not those of a person faking/covering up a pregnancy but merely those of someone with terrible, terrible judgment.
It looks like this story is not only the stuff of the liberal blogosphere. Rachel Sklar via twitter, “We just sat down to lunch and already chatter has turned to whether Palin’s baby is actually hers.”
Was the baby full term?
one month early and 6lbs
http://www.mahalo.com/Trig_Palin
This is a question of the credibility for the Gov. Palin
Why is there no entry on the web page for the nursery page for the birth of her son at the Alaskan Hospital Mat-Su Regional Medical Center where she gave birth on April 18th?
http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_name.php?start=60&step=30&count=503
Why did they not recognize this birth. The articles in Alaskan newspaper said she gave birth there.
Should we believe this story about her daughter having Mono for 4-5 months during this time and not attending school?
I would like to see the complete medical records of all candidates.
Here is video of Sarah Palen taken a couple weeks prior to giving birth to Trig. She is drinking coffee and walking around in high heels. Wow!! She is in very good shape for a person who is 7 months pregnant.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-70930
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I have to say… I find the digging into all of this unseemly and would prefer to see it left to the National Enquirer. Surely that Fine Paper is hungry for another scoop like the John Edwards affair.
However, I do have to say that there does seem to be a great deal that’s curious in all this.
I noted the weirdness of the flying back from Texas after her water broke long before I heard anything about all this Who’s The Mother stuff. I just felt… whoa… I’d like to hear more about that. I was thinking something along the lines of Jeez, that seems like extraordinarily bad judgment.
So I don’t know, but mostly I would prefer that it be left to the Enquirer. If this is some sort of ruse to cover up a pregnancy by the daughter, I can’t believe an outfit with real resources couldn’t get the goods pretty quickly. If you squint your eyes and don’t look very closely, this sort of thing can be covered up… mostly. But if you are actually determined to find out what happened, and you have the resources to do so… there are just too many people and paper trails involved in this sort of thing for a lie to survive any sort of real scrutiny.
But having said all of that… in the footage we’ve seen of McCain and Palin heading around the countryside campaigning, I’ve noticed a young woman usually a few steps behind Palin. The young woman is cradling and carrying the infant. I have to confess that after having read all of this, the unwelcome thought occurs to me that, well, yeah, if that young woman is Bristol (I don’t know that it is… never really thought about it until now) and if Bristol is the mother, and I’ve heard that Palin is breast-feeding… what’s the baby, four months old? A baby is still breast-feeding then, right? Well, of course the birth mother would have to be nearby to provide the milk…
But I wholly and completely acknowledge that is a completely random thought. Surely it would make just as much sense that the oldest daughter (if that is who that young lady is) would come along not only for the photo-ops of the Beautiful Family, but also to help look after the infant.
So, yeah, I would prefer knowing the National Enquirer was looking into this (because I think knowing the truth *is* important for no other reason than the fact that we have very little to judge Palin on at the moment) and knowing that those of us on the left were leaving it alone.
It’s going to look really bad if we are the ones to drag this weird thing into the light, if there is anything to be dragged into the light, of course. It’s going to look a lot less bad (for us) if some sleazy reporter from the Enquirer is the one to do it.
How is she breastfeeding the baby is Gov. Palin wasn’t lactating? Her next to youngest is age 7. I very much doubt she was still breastfeeding her when the baby was born.
Why wouldn’t the daughter have maternity benefits? I’m sure the Palins’ have family coverage.
Why do this to a 17 year old girl? Not only are you dragging her mother down an alley with rumors but you are taking her daughter with her.
This site is being linked to in order to give this story legs. I know it is being repeated on the NY Times blogs. If this turns out to be a viscious, malicious rumor, you guys have lost all credibility and have hurt Obama’s cause.
How is she breastfeeding the baby i[f] Gov. Palin wasn’t lactating?
I think you missed the implication of my random thought, but since I hate this whole thing anyway, I’m not going to bother trying to make it clear to you.
I think you missed the implication of my random thought, but since I hate this whole thing anyway I’m not going to bother trying to explain it to you. It was just a random thought that ends up hanging out there because there is so much that is curious in this. The curiosity of it all is going to keep generating random thoughts in people until some outfit like the Enquirer digs into all this and dispels all the curious questions.
I know you think this is just some left-wing nutbag thing, but it isn’t. I don’t actually want it to be true. But there is too much that is odd about it. Your best bet would be to encourage the Governor and her people to address all the curious questions so all of it can be put to rest. It’s going to happen anyway, so the best thing for her is to be as forthright as possible.
The real problem is that we don’t know anything about Palin. We have no record to go on. Is she the sort of person who would do things this way? If so, what does that tell us about her?
We have a right to know. I’m sorry about what it might do to the daughter and all that, but if it is true — I hope it isn’t, but if it is — it wasn’t the people of the United States that got her pregnant. Don’t blame us. We’re just trying to figure out what sort of person the Republican nominee for Vice President is.
It is probably true. But everyone must understand other cultures. Sarah Palin’s husband is part Eskimo. It is in the Eskimo tradition to offer your wife, or I assume children to visitors. They put it very politely, “Would you like to laugh with my wife.” To refuse such an offer is a major insult. One must accept.
A good friend of mine, author Han Ruesch who died just a year ago, wrote several novels about the Eskimos. He was an expert on the subject.
A major film was made from Hans’ novel, Top of the World as The Savage Innocents. Anthony Quinn starred as Inuk, an Inuit Eskimo, who has had little contact with white men. At a trading post, Inuk accidentally kills a missionary, who insulted him by refusing the traditional Inuit (sexual) hospitality of wife-sharing. (Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ruesch).
So what if Palin’s daughter got knocked up. Big deal. It’s her culture.
The Palins are a great family.
All Gov Palin has to do is to prove it via DNA!!!!!
Sarah Palin always seemed too good to be real and while this is truly speculative, it will kill McCain’s chances if it is actually true. Why couldn’t she just embrace this child? Many would have respected her honesty.
On the other hand, this all could be a pack of lies from the Obama camp. Pregnant women carry their babies differently. Women OVER 35 statistically have higher incidents of Down-Syndrome babies and many of the other “supposed facts” are not credible.
I don’t know what to think.
Isn’t she breast feeding?
To add yet another twist to the rumor, Bristol Palin is reported to be very pregnant at this time, i.e. now, August 2008. Examine this photo supposedly taken from McCain’s daughter’s blog on Friday, Aug 29, 2008:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4
I am a democrat. I am the mother of an autistic son. I know about raising a child with special needs. I decline to offer a comment or opinion until I get the facts. We should not be so quick to judge. The truth will always speak for itself.
I would like for us all to stick with with issues that are most important us - - the economy, the war in Iraq, health care, and education . . .
Personally, I pray for Mrs. Palin and her family.
One wonders why a woman who would not entertain an abortion for any reason woul submit to amniocintesis, a procedure with some risk to the fetus.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080831/capt.529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d.veepstakes_palin_ak516.jpg?x=229&y=345&q=85&sig=5f7FFPyR6pApAkrAXznM1w–
this is what sarah palin looked like when she was pregnant before……
there are other photos of her taken on this day. this is silly.
Oh, good grief. 1) She also returned to the office only a few days after she gave birth to her 4th child, Piper? Is anyone suggesting she’s not the mother of that child as well? 2) Any woman who has given birth previously may know her body well enough to be able to tell how far along her labor is. Contractions don’t automatically start once the water breaks; sometimes you have *days.* Also, standing after the water breaks (which she would have done while speaking) causes the baby’s head to point downward and “plug” up the cervix, which pretty much stops the water. Sometimes a maxi pad is enough to absorb it. And often the breaking of the waters is more like a steady seeping, rather than gushing. Granted, I think flying was goofy. But who knows what her rationale for that way. The other stuff, though, is ridiculous speculation and 3) several years ago I had an aerobics instructor who was phenomenally fit. When she was pregnant, she actually taught a class — a very high-intensity one — in labor. I didn’t even know she was pregnant until she was about 7 months and if someone hadn’t told me, I still would not have known — at 7 months, she looked like maybe she’d eaten a pretty big meal. And her baby weighed over 7 pounds.
This kind of story is poison. It may even have been planted by Herr Karl Rove, to bait Democrats into a trap (known in political circles as “ratf-cking). DO NOT take the bait. Reject this scurrilous story. If it’s true, let SOMEONE ELSE dig it up. Leave it alone, please. I’m CERTAIN Senator Obama would advise all of his supporters not to engage in the kind of vicious character assassination and odious smear tactics which we typically see from the GOP. We have a wealth of legitimate, above-board, policy- and inexperience-based ammo with which to defeat this truly repugnant McCain/Palin ticket. We need not stoop to their amoral, despicable level. Please…DON’T!!!
surprising she is wearing black and loose clothes instead of showing off how fat and pregnant she is.. obviously didnt do a very good coverup job in this picture:
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p312/CO757300/Other/Sarah%20Palin/SarahPalin-13.jpg
But dont let that stop the bizarre theories..good reads, all of them
below: the story is dated April 23, 2008; the picture caption says: “Gov. Sarah Palin, far right, swears in Americorps volunteers on the front steps of the capital building last week.”
http://capitalcityweekly.com/stories/042308/community_20080423012.shtml
Now go here to see a web album of this event: Palin looks pregnant in two photos.
http://picasaweb.google.com/robertson.becca/AmeriCorpsSwearingIn
Here is a blogpost about an airport terminal chat with Palin. The blogger says Palin is pregnant. The date of the airport chat is unclear, but the implication is that the chat happened sometime in 2008.
http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944
I once attended two weeks of a murder trial. A relative of mine was the murder victim. The defendant was also known to me. I could tell, from the evidence and also from the evidence plus my personal knowledge of the parties: the defendant was absolutely guilty.
A book was written about that murder case. It detailed why the defendant was innocent. The book’s author twisted three facts of the case just a bit: just a little nudge here, and a tiny twist there, and an itsy bitsy ignoring of a seemingly innocuous piece of evidence, and the author produced a book which made it look for all the world as if the defendant were innocent. If I had read the book without having personally attended the trial, I would’ve gone to my grave asserting the defendant was innocent.
That experience taught me how easy it is to twist reality. It just takes the tiniest nudge here, and the tiniest oversight there, and fantasy suddenly looks real. I’ve grateful to the author of that fantastical book. He taught me an important lesson.
The story is track Palin and his abrupt decision to join the army in September, 2007. Palin had no comment as the reasons for Track’s decision were private.
There is an article contemporary with the birth of Palin’s child that supports Palin’s version of events here Her obstetrician says she was consulted regarding flying back after Palin’s water had broken, and she assented. I would call this direct confirmation that Palin is Trig’s mother.
But no one should be surprised or pretend to be shocked that people are discussing the matter. Palin is interviewing for a very senior position and her veracity is a legitimate issue.
Jason, there’s a fainting couch in the washroom if you need it.
Did anyone see the last season of Desperate Housewives? Bree pretended that she was pregnant when in fact it was her 17 year old unmarried daughter who was! Bree even went as far as wearing a fake baby bump (which you can easily get online or try one on at Motherhood-I did when I was 5 months pregnant and upset I wasn’t showing). Then Bree’s daughter went into labor early at a Halloween party and they had to fake the birth of the child. Somebody knows and is paid very well not to tell or is being blackmailed as was the case on Desperate Housewives or…Desperate Vice Presidents.
PS I am a mother of two. Am pregnant with my third. I am 2 moths pregnant and people at work hav ealready started to tell me congratulations!!! I thought I was hiding it well!
The author asks “Why would Sarah Palin lie about this?” Hmm.. let me think… maybe because you look a little stupid if you are avidly against ’sex-education’ in school and support ‘abstinence only’ education and suddenly your 16 year old daughter becomes pregnant….
why I am done with this thread/issue
As of yet, I have seen no conclusive evidence to disprove that she is actually the mother. Over the last few days, a lot has come to light about Gov. Palin and I take her for what she is: an ambitious, competitive, caring, hard-working person with strong values & beliefs who lovers her family but also is driven by both a calling to serve and a desire for the spotlight. She is no different any other proud and strong Americans who take up the challenge of public service - except that she has just been thrust onto the National stage with minimal introduction. I believe she has the chops and just enough basic experience (minus international experience which is 50% of the job), and we will see how she handles the pressure of the entire Nation focused on her and her family. This is part of the national vetting process; the GOP has been digging dirt on Obama for more than 18 months and I have no doubt that if they had found any salacious details they would have used them by now. Back to the matter at hand …
In MY OPINION (cause that is all this chatter is) What this nomination says to me are 3 things:
1) John McCain made a gut decision without thinking through all the ramifications, good or bad. He wanted someone else, but that was blocked by internal party pressure so he picked a pro-life woman candidate who has a lot of conviction and charisma. It is obvious that his people have not vetted her, so rather than a deliberate pace of research and verification, it’s a free for all. A perfect 4th quarter hail-Mary type of play. To me, this says volumes about McCain’s decision making process.
2) What this says to me about Gov. Palin is that she is like so many woman who strive for both a professional career and a family. She made some choices about her pregnancy that, on a scale of National politics look strange, but from her vantage make sense. She wanted to be in her own town, with her own doctors and family close by and she made choices about her physiology that none of us can second guess this; yes we can disagree but it was her choice (ironic huh?). There are many women who downplay their pregnancy for many reasons, nothing new on that score. What is interesting is her choices about what is important to her. In no way do I doubt her love for her family. I also do not doubt her conviction and professional drive. She is exactly what she appears to be: a smart, gutsy home-grown local politician who we would have seen on the big stage in a few years time anyway.
3) What this says to me about the election process is that it is important for candidates to go through the process of nit-picking and dirt digging - normally something that is done over time and NOT overnight. For both Sen. McCain and Gov Palin to make these choices about nominating her for VP says something about their decision making process and judgment — which each of us form our own opinions about and what this election is all about.
To me, there is no longer any doubt that she is the mother of the child and that McCain has done exactly what he thinks best — to tip the apple cart. Of course, that flies in the face of the conventional wisdom of picking a VP: First, do no harm.
Good luck Gov Palin, you will need it. Sorry for the dirt digging, but we don’t know you and we need to understand who you are and we do that through examining your actions.
Ps - I just read this and saw the pic … looks legit to me.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734
Endit
and y’all wonder why we continue to lose these elections!! Damn it, y’all are killing Obama’s campaign. Idiots!!
There’s no mention of Trig Palin’s birth at the Mat Su Reigonal Hospital, where Sarah Palin claims she gave birth. You’d figure that for Palmer, Alaska, a town of less than 7000 people, they’d be awfully proud—proud enough to mention the birth on the hospital’s new birth announcements page. No such mention. Infact, there’s no mention of Trig Palin’s birth whatsoever:
http://pics.livejournal.com/billylickalolly/pic/0002qd8g
The doctor who supposedly delivered Trig has political connections to Sarah Palin. She was appointed by Palin to a number of high-profile posts in Alaska.
On MySpace, there’s a page for a 16 year old named Chris Ray, aka “Chris Ray [5]“, or “C-Ray”. Google cache from July 20 reveals this interesting tidbit:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Chris+ray%22+%22Bristol+Palin%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Snippet: “I LOVE BRISTOL PALIN MORE THEN ANYTHING IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!”
Chris Ray’s MySpace profile was mysteriously removed 2 days ago when the story broke. No reason provided. Here’s the Google cached version of it:
http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:bHNn_pcOQWkJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D59375496+%22Chris+ray%22+%22Bristol+Palin%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
So.
What’s more likely? A 44 year old woman becomes pregnant, and no one notices until she announces in her 7th month of pregnancy, and doesn’t show, has her water break in Texas, delivers a speech, goes to the airport, goes through security, gets on a plain to Anchorage, Alaska, then continues on to a podunk town of less than 7,000 people to give birth.. OR..
Bristol Palin got knocked up in her home town, dropped out of school to avoid embarassment to her hyperconservative family, and tried to quietly give birth at the local hospital where hopefully no one would notice.
The net is already being scrubbed of pictures of Sarah Palin over the last year.
Where there’s smoke…
By the way — There’s a photo of Sarah Palin floating around while pregnant with Track Palin. She’s big as a damn house. Look for it. I think it’s up on iReport, or DailyKos. One of the two.
Here you go:
Sarah Palin in 1989, pregnant with Track Palin (scroll down)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332
You guys are desperate for negative garbage. Really pathetic
Well well, Bristol is PG afterall… just announced:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-my-daughter-is-preg_n_122947.html
*ugh*
I guess Bristol will NOW be caring for TWO now:
http://coverawards.com/tag/anchorage-daily-news-sarah-palin/
So now I guess since Sarah is running for VP, no way will she have time to care for her disabled son properly — He will need LOTS of therapy. Well, if their insurance company denies THERAPY for their son, like they have for our 5 yr old autistic twin son, the Palin’s are RICH enough to pay for it - or rather maybe they’ll use their ABUSE of power and get it.
I also meant to add this link to my last post:
“Palin On Abortion: I’d Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-on-abortion-id-oppo_n_122924.html
With that kind of woman, I doubt her 17 yr old daughter, Bristol really had a choice in this matter of her pregnancy.
No McCain, No Failin’ Palin, No Way, NO HOW!
Why are democrats, or the left, always wrong? Could it be all the kool-aid they have drank over the years. Folks, the baby is Mrs. Palins, and yes Hillary is a lesbian.
Now get over it.
Okay, maybe we’re all scum to even question ANYTHING the right wing does, but we’d all have to be imbeciles not to question why Ms. Palin looks very UN-pregnant in this photo taken on March 14, 2008:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30076181@N02/2814199887/
And OH-SO-VERY pregnant in this photo taken a mere FIVE days later on March 19, 2008
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/345168.html
Here’s a bigger shot of that first one in case the paper scrubs the image above:
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9
Now let’s be clear, some folks think this is a purely personal matter–if the governnor was covering for her teenaged daughter, who can blame her for trying to protect her young daughter from embarrassment and public scrutiny. Fair enough. But what about insurance fraud? Is it ok to expect the taxpayers to pay for her illegitimate grandson’s health care when MS “family values” herself is willing to let the rest of the bastards in America struggle on their own for health care?
Come on. Let’s be honest here. We have a right to know what this is all about and why these facts don’t add up. The governor is now trying to tell us Bristol is pregnant –FIVE months pregnant which would seem to preclude the possibility that she could be Trig’s mom. Well, it’s for certain Bristol does indeed look pregnant as this photo shows:
http://mccainblogette.com/postings/083008_0928/55.jpg
Or she could simply be post-partum…at any rate, things don’t add up and there are lots of questions we should be asking. Asking the questions is not the same as attacking. These questions need to be asked and answered and it’s our job as citizens to move forward in this process since the press probably won’t do it until we get most of the work done for them.
So maybe Bristol is Trig’s mom, or maybe not. Let’s keep asking the questions and sharing information. Let’s find out. Getting answers is not the same as attacking.
Has anyone else noticed that Bristol does not look 5 months pregnant but more like 2 or 2 1/2! I mean come on, did anyone look at her when she stood on stage with her mom last week and say - “hey - she looks to be about 5 months pregnant!” - No! I think them stating that she is 5 months along is an attempt to cover up her being Trig’s mom.
Bristol is not pregnant. This is an attempt to cover up Bristol being Trig’s mom. If she were 5 months pregnant they there could be no way for her to be Trig’s mom. In a few weeks they will say that Bristol mis-carried. This pregnancy story is just a cover-up for the real story!
a decision tree outlining Sarah Palin’s reasoning capabilities - pretty funny!
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.png
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any woman should know that leaking amniotic fluid is an obstetrical emergency. First of all
it means that the baby is more prone to infection. Also she must have had the dumbest doctor in american history-in the medical world hardly anyone chooses that specialty because of the plethora of lawsuits. I can not image any serious doctor giving his/her permission for a pregnant
woman leaking amniotic fluid to fly; rather he/she should have demanded she stay put, called the airline(how about the safety and comfort of the other passengers) and told them that her BABY was at risk. and to grow up.
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Here is a link to the Google doc of the MySpace page that is now set to private -
photos. Scroll down—they are there.
Clear the thing up with a three lettter test on f our people DNA now its up to Sarah.
By Googling “Palin Birth Announcement” you will find an article referencing birth of Gov. Palin’s baby on Arpil 18, 2008 — info provided by her spokesperson. Also, it is stated that the baby, Trig was born at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center. According to Google Maps, there is only one such facility in Palmer, Alaska. And according to their online birth announcements, there is no listing displayed for Trig or any baby with last name Palin. Only 2 other births that day. So? — I’m sure there is a logical explanation, … they forgot to post it? The spokesperson had the wrong hospital? Cover-up? OR maybe hoping “Leftist bloggers” will fall for stepping in it, at risk of looking dirty for asking? I still think its too strange not to ask — why Trig’s birth isn’t listed at Mat-Su Birith Announcemnt page.
You’re still not connecting the dots. Trig is Bristol’s kid all right, but Todd is the father.
If you do a search for newsweek, palin march 2008, you can find a bunch of interview videos Palin did. She doesn’t look pregnant at all, legs are crossed and leaning forward. I think this rabbit goes even deeper..
Bristol does indeed look about five months pregnant, not 2 to 2 1/2 as someone above suggested. As a person who has actually been pregnant and delivered a baby in the past, I can say that until month four I didn’t gain a single pound, and I didn’t look visibly pregnant until the last trimester.
I can’t see how so many people have the gall to make these assertions without any facts to back them up.
Although rare, It is quite possible for a woman to become pregnant immediately after giving birth. This would make Bristol four months pregnant if Trig is her child.
I definitely thinks this needs to be investigated. I feel like there’s a concerted effort by the press to cover this up. Lack of experience and sorority girl backwoods religious fanatic mindset aside, this is a huge issue and someone needs to cough up pictures. I want to see pictures of Sarah pregnant. I’m sure a good investigative journalist could take a trip to Wasilla and uncover this. There’s gotta be pics of a pregnant Bristol somewhere.
Perhapss Trig is Track’s kid this is why he bailed right after conception for “private reasons” and was afraid his secret was out when Mom called him to tell him about the nomination “will I have to crawl into a hole”
Is Trig being breast fed or formula fed? That could be the answer to the “Mommy” question. Bristol sure looks like she could be breast feeding a baby right now.
Disgusting and embarrassing to flaunt pregnant teenage daughter AND presumed father of the unborn child plus the more than possible fact that the same two are the mother and father of 4 month old Trig. Great example for all teenagers , as long as they are white,rich and in the public eye..
Agree with Jennifer : Bristol looks as tho she could be/should be breast feeding and with the comment regarding the EASY ability to become pregnant again soon after giving birth…
I thought liberals were supposed to be soooo compassionate. How about a little compassion for Sarah and Bristol. If you knew what life is like in Alaska you would understand why Sarah had to say that Trig was her baby. Okay, so it’s coming out now that she’s been chosen to be the Vice President but have a little heart for pete’s sake. Wouldn’t you have tried to protect your daughter if you were in her place? Sarah has been a damn good governor for us and she’ll be just as good a Vice President, and hopefully President, for the U.S. Just because Bristol was tempted by Satan doesn’t mean that Sarah didn’t offer the proper teachings of the Bible to her daughter. We are all sinners and, as Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Good bless Sarah and Bristol and God bless America.
i would like to know how sarah palin sat on that plane while leaking fluid from her womb without it getting very messy. Did she get an astronaut diaper for the plane ride home?
TP: Your comment has been deleted. Lord knows, we are hardly shy about dissing politicians we dislike here, and we’re certainly not prudes, but there is simply no call for what you wrote.
– DrGail
Wrong buddy Bristol is the mom alright and Todd palin is the dad! It makes more since for the need of such a cover up! You know the Palins dont believe in abortion in the case of rape or incest! Sarah is Country First not Family first! Actualy she is Family/Career first!!! Protect the Husband from Jail Time Protect her daughter from embarrasment, and most importantly protect herself, her career, and cover the fact that Bristol has been acting as mom, and wife, while Sarah has been putting Career First!
I think she looks totally pregnant, and like said above, just because this was released on a particular day, it most likely was filmed and edited over a period of weeks. She mentions in this podshow that she runs. Even for a mom of 4, she clearly was and is in good shape prior to the Trig pregnancy. I’m short and still could wear relatively normal clothes up until the 7th month. She looks thicker along her back waste area, seems to be walking like she has a “bump” in the front and has that jacket that is hanging looser on her.
This is such a difficult topic to discuss. On the one hand how brutally cold blooded to condem or question the mother of a handicapped child. On the other hand there are some very strange circumstances surrounding the birth of this child.
Lets look at the facts so far. Her daughter is mysteriously removed from school for 5 months. And almost all pictures prebaby show the daughter to be glowing, and sporting the baby bump. She claims to have been pregnant but only at 7mos did she reveal this to her closest staffers. There is yet to be one person who has come forward to say she even looked pregnant. In most pictures available she appears to not be even a little pregnant. No swollen hands feet or face. Now being a man I cannot say what it feels like to be pregnant but watching my wife carry all three of my angles to term I can say what it looks like. In the one picture that she appears to be 8 or 9 mos the size of her stomach is just absurd. From not showing to appearing to be carrying triplets. Again looking at her feet, hands and face there is ZERO indication other than the pillow in her clothes that she is pregnant. Then lets look at the facts surrounding the birth. At the time of her water breaking she was in TX. A 12 hr flight to Alaska and the flight attendant also commented that she did NOT appear pregnant. Ok lets look closely at this. In the picture making the rounds on the internet she is VERY pregnant. Now ready to give birth the flight attentdant cannot tell? I for one am not buying it. Ok lets keep going. This child is known to be a down syndrome child long before birth. These births are not routine. There are several areas of concern including problems with the childs heart at birth. But this super mom throws all of this out the window and makes the trip to Alaska. In routine births the doctors are very clear once your fluid begins to leak you are to get to a hospital fast. The chance of infection or complications rises by the minute as you are now exposing the fetus to a host of possible issues. Yet she is traveling like there is no problem or worry. I”M NOT BUYING THIS. So now we come to what does this have to do with our country and this election….my pleasure…
1. LIES ….My fellow Americans have you not had enough lies from the 8yrs of Bush? Lied into a war, CIA agents exposed and lies to cover it up. An Atty. General who told so many lies his defense in almost every inquiry is “I dont remember”. If she is lying about this she will lie about other things. Plain and simple she cannot be trusted. This is NOT who I want running my country.
2. JUDGEMENT…. the protection of her teenage daughter is to be commended. But the decision to hide the pregnancy over rejoicing at the birth of a miracle shows poor judgement at best. The lack of judgement being shown here is just a small example of what we could expect from future decisions.
3. COVERUP….. once again the Republican party is involved in a scandalous coverup. I want to see how far they are willing to take this.
ITS OUR COUNTRY stand up brothes and sisters lets take it back.
on a side note I could care less about her stupid kids and lifestyle. But if your kids are OFF LIMITS quit parading them on stage like props. By the way if this was Obama’s teenage pregnant daughter can we just STOP pretending how compassionate and considerate the Republican Right would be towards Barack and Michelle. Thank God it was Palin and not Michelle who has to deal with this disaster.
I apologize for spelling errors but Im typing, helping my 9yr with homework and feeding my 18mo old son. AND I work 10 hrs a day. This Dad says GOOOO Obama !
I personally think Brisol looks way more than 5 months pregnant now. Of course, subsequent pregnancies show earlier. And she does look pregnant in those old photos. But maybe she is just naturally plump. I think it is possible that Trig is adopted and maybe Track is the father, but…
Either way, I personally think the family seems very interesting and “cool”, despite the fact that we greatly differ on religion, gay rights, “creationism”, etc….BUT I think people who are making an issue out of her religious ties are just as wrong as people who are making an issue about Obama’s Musilm ties and his own radically racist chuch.
I do hope eventually the truth about this comes out, though.
I am not a conspiracy nut. I don’t have a vendetta against Sarah Palin, or John McCain (however in full disclosure I am supporting Obama). I don’t share any moral platform with the outcries of “family values” on either side of this particular debate. I don’t really care who the parents of Trig Palin are. This being said, I can’t completely explain my obsession with the short lived / redacted life of this story as it broke over the internet over the last few days.
While I have no moral stake in this baby claim, I do feel these questions you have raised have not been adequately addressed by the McCain campaign (or the media for that matter) and represent a severe “ethical” dilemma in which the personal situations of our leaders takes precedence over the common good through lies, manipulation and abuse of power.
For these reasons I would like to share with you some information I have uncovered below regarding the “birth announcement” of Trig Palin. Sarah Palin was said to have delivered baby Trig at the Mat Su Regional Hospital, which in turn has no on line record of Trig Palin for the date of April 18th, 2008. There are two simple explanations for this; either the hospital administrators deliberately omitted this information from their online record, or, the baby was never delivered at Mat Su Regional.
There was however a baby delivered to parents “Amber” and “Levi” on April 18th at Alaska Regional Hospital (see links below), a mere 45 min. drive from Wasilla.
http://www.alaskaregional.com/cpm/w-index.html
scroll down to the link on April 18th, 2008
http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/akr22/babies/images/h22-3127-med.jpg
Here is another AP link to Trig Palin with his grandparents……
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eIA5qy1wt0Zw/340x.jpg
Striking resemblance? ……. I’ll let you be the judge…
While I recognize that this is a bit of a stretch and that ’some of the names may have changed to protect the innocent’; it doesn’t seem any more far fetched than the “facts” which have emerged from the McCain campaign. How do we know Bristol Palin is 5 months pregnant instead of 5 months post partum? Because the McCain campaign told us so. To date no one has produced a single piece of compelling evidence to put this story to rest. If the initial story was untrue, all the McCain campaign would have had to produce is a single photo of Sarah Palin and her family celebrating the birth of their newest child in the delivery room (not during mind you….) or in the recovery ward. Surely, there is family documentation of this special event…. If she is so content to wear her motherhood on her sleeve, than why shy away from sharing a photo from an innocent moment that every family could relate to.
Would it not have been so much easier to squash the rumor that Bristol Palin was not the mother of Trig by producing such a photo? Instead, the McCain campaign created a shell game for a current scandal by dragging Bristol Palin (and the media) into a future one.
I don’ think that baby Trig, who Sarah is using for a POLITICAL PROP is the offspring of daughter Bristol. I think Bristol’s pregancy was just bad timing. Young girls don’t typically give birth to babies with Down Syndrome. By and large that is one of the dangers of an older mother pregnancy. This leads me to a suspicion with a different twist on the entire charade and lie used by Sarah Palin in order to further her career. I don’t think that Sarah gave birth to Trig, either.
As we’ve learned so far, Sarah Palin is so self-righteously anti-choice, that she doesn’t believe in giving another woman the right to make choices for her own life, even in the case of incest or rape (such compassion! not!) The ultra fundamentalists who support this line of thinking have latched their teeth into a relatively new (within the past few years) marketing trend: Exploit babies with disabilities and birth defects (especially those with Down Syndrome - they’re the cutest) - Hold them up in the public spotlight, put their faces on billboards, and say, “Imagine if this child had been aborted… what a tragedy that would have been.” =guilt, guilt, guilt.
Now, back up to the Last Frontier…
Last Spring it was already clear that McCain was the GOP pick. Sarah threw her hat into the ring of potential contenders for the VP, even though logically she should have had a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the nod. She decides to grab herself some more attention and pull her own publicity stunt. With her contacts in the anti-choice network, she finds a “crisis pregnancy center” or some such front that encourages, and coerces women into going full term with a pregnancy regardless of a woman’s circumstances. Palin finds a woman who is 7 months pregnant with a Downs Syndrome baby who has been convinced to go full term. Sarah and the Dude pay the Mystery Mother off to hand over the baby at birth, no adoption papers, no questions asked. So, it’s not surprising that Sarah didn’t tell anyone, not her parents, and not even her children that she was pregnant, because she WASN’T. The conversation with “the Dr.” on the phone while Sarah was in Tx wasn’t about Sarah’s water breaking, it was about the Mystery Mother’s water breaking. Sarah was in no rush to get back to Wasilla because she wasn’t HAVING a baby that day, she was BUYING/GETTING a baby that day. Now all she has to do is pay off the Dr. to fake the parent’s names on a birth certificate and, voila! Sarah Palin gets all kinds of accolades for making the Choice to carry this disabled child to term! Now she can hold this baby up as a sacrafice to the GOP machi