Comments on: That’s What You Get When You Don’t Vet http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/09/thats-what-you-get-when-you-dont-vet Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:11:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: gcotharn http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/09/thats-what-you-get-when-you-dont-vet/comment-page-1#comment-42045 gcotharn Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:01:34 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4769#comment-42045 Chief, On this issue, you're either dumb as a box of rocks, or you are practicing "Modern Political Warfare". I reject that you are that dumb. Could you possibly <b>feel</b> it's true so strongly that it affects your reasoning; or <b>wish</b> it's true so strongly that it affects your reasoning? You could. But that's not where I'm placing my bet. I'm going with "Modern Political Warfare" - which, I suspect, is going to result in spectacular blowback which, actually, means that box of rocks thing is back in play. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I was going to let the following go, but, since I'm back in this thread: 1. Steve Benen's statement: <blockquote>Palin is also a staunch advocate of abstinence-only education</blockquote>is incorrect. Alaska schools teach sex education which includes contraceptive options. Governor Palin supported giving parents the option to hold children out of class sessions about contraception. 2. A smaller point, but it deserves airing: Steve Benen's statement <blockquote>reproductive rights would be dramatically curtailed for every woman in America</blockquote>is incorrect. The issue would go to the states. This issue can be argued without exaggerating the truth as Benen did. Doing so damages credibility. Chief,

On this issue, you’re either dumb as a box of rocks, or you are practicing “Modern Political Warfare”. I reject that you are that dumb. Could you possibly feel it’s true so strongly that it affects your reasoning; or wish it’s true so strongly that it affects your reasoning? You could. But that’s not where I’m placing my bet. I’m going with “Modern Political Warfare” – which, I suspect, is going to result in spectacular blowback which, actually, means that box of rocks thing is back in play.

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I was going to let the following go, but, since I’m back in this thread:

1. Steve Benen’s statement:

Palin is also a staunch advocate of abstinence-only education

is incorrect. Alaska schools teach sex education which includes contraceptive options. Governor Palin supported giving parents the option to hold children out of class sessions about contraception.

2. A smaller point, but it deserves airing: Steve Benen’s statement

reproductive rights would be dramatically curtailed for every woman in America

is incorrect. The issue would go to the states. This issue can be argued without exaggerating the truth as Benen did. Doing so damages credibility.

]]> By: Chief http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/09/thats-what-you-get-when-you-dont-vet/comment-page-1#comment-42022 Chief Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:31:43 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4769#comment-42022 1. My concern is not about a "mother-daughter" relationship. 2. My only concern is about a politician's truthfulness. Is Gov. Palin the birth mother of Trig? 1. My concern is not about a “mother-daughter” relationship.

2. My only concern is about a politician’s truthfulness. Is Gov. Palin the birth mother of Trig?

]]> By: Max Blumenthal: Council for National Policy “Hidden Hand Behind McCain’s Palin Pick” | Comments from Left Field http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/09/thats-what-you-get-when-you-dont-vet/comment-page-1#comment-42011 Max Blumenthal: Council for National Policy “Hidden Hand Behind McCain’s Palin Pick” | Comments from Left Field Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:48:34 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4769#comment-42011 [...] those who claim that the McCain campaign didn’t thoroughly vet their VP nominee before offering her a slot on [...] [...] those who claim that the McCain campaign didn’t thoroughly vet their VP nominee before offering her a slot on [...]

]]> By: gcotharn http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/09/thats-what-you-get-when-you-dont-vet/comment-page-1#comment-41962 gcotharn Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:22:33 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=4769#comment-41962 The point of abstinence only public education is not to create ignorant teenagers, but rather to allow parents to handle interactions about birth control and ethical choices. You trust public schoolteachers to handle these interactions more effectively than parents. Fine. Your opinion is supportable and debatable. However, Gov. Palin's opinion is also supportable and debatable. I just finished this on another thread: you don't know the personal relationship between Gov. Palin and Bristol. For all you know, when Bristol conceived she was already the most knowledgable teenager in America about reproduction and birth control. We do know knowledge is no guarantee against choosing to risk becoming pregnant. We also know birth control is not 100% effective. You are making an unsupportable logical leap when you insinuate Bristol became pregnant due to ignorance. It may be true that large groups of birth-control-ignorant girls become pregnant more often than large groups of birth-control-educated girls. However, we have no idea if that was true or untrue in Bristol's specific case. Further, I believe insinuated speculation about Bristol and Gov. Palin's personal Mother-daughter relationship - and about the contents of their intimate conversations - crosses a line of decency. The point of abstinence only public education is not to create ignorant teenagers, but rather to allow parents to handle interactions about birth control and ethical choices.

You trust public schoolteachers to handle these interactions more effectively than parents. Fine. Your opinion is supportable and debatable. However, Gov. Palin’s opinion is also supportable and debatable.

I just finished this on another thread: you don’t know the personal relationship between Gov. Palin and Bristol. For all you know, when Bristol conceived she was already the most knowledgable teenager in America about reproduction and birth control. We do know knowledge is no guarantee against choosing to risk becoming pregnant. We also know birth control is not 100% effective. You are making an unsupportable logical leap when you insinuate Bristol became pregnant due to ignorance.

It may be true that large groups of birth-control-ignorant girls become pregnant more often than large groups of birth-control-educated girls. However, we have no idea if that was true or untrue in Bristol’s specific case. Further, I believe insinuated speculation about Bristol and Gov. Palin’s personal Mother-daughter relationship – and about the contents of their intimate conversations – crosses a line of decency.

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