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		<title>By: Whale City &#187; Beluga Whales Protected, Despite Palin Opposition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whale City &#187; Beluga Whales Protected, Despite Palin Opposition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as the biggest threat to nature, wildlife, whales, polar bears, wolves, women, children(born and unborn), humanity; basically planet Earth.  I also included a link to the Anchorage Daily News, as just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dynamic</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-and-abortion/comment-page-1#comment-44771</link>
		<dc:creator>Dynamic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both excellent points Kathy. I agree that it&#039;s a one-of-a-kind conflict of rights when it comes down to pregnancy, and because of this there will always be conflict. Ultimately it is always going to have to be an arbitrary placement of the rights of one party over another. 

I feel that it&#039;s not really my place to say that a baby has more rights than a mother; but I do feel it&#039;s important to get away from this notion that the baby is not alive until some arbitrary timeline in its development. A human being is ALWAYS developing, from day one; to say that it isn&#039;t &quot;alive&quot; until, say, 2 trimesters, is to ignore basic biology and cheapen human existence. A woman should have the right to a healthy medical procedure - it is beyond ridiculous to ban abortion and send womenback into the back alleys for dangerous illegal ops - but we should be aware of exactly what that procedure is: killing a human being. 

And yes, believe me, I&#039;m aware of the blatant hypocrisy rampant on the pro-life front; they make it difficult for people like me to argue reasonably about it, because they&#039;re too busy screaming about God&#039;s wrath to get a word in edgewise. :\ It is distinctly frustrating to be a rational pro-lifer. :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both excellent points Kathy. I agree that it&#8217;s a one-of-a-kind conflict of rights when it comes down to pregnancy, and because of this there will always be conflict. Ultimately it is always going to have to be an arbitrary placement of the rights of one party over another. </p>
<p>I feel that it&#8217;s not really my place to say that a baby has more rights than a mother; but I do feel it&#8217;s important to get away from this notion that the baby is not alive until some arbitrary timeline in its development. A human being is ALWAYS developing, from day one; to say that it isn&#8217;t &#8220;alive&#8221; until, say, 2 trimesters, is to ignore basic biology and cheapen human existence. A woman should have the right to a healthy medical procedure &#8211; it is beyond ridiculous to ban abortion and send womenback into the back alleys for dangerous illegal ops &#8211; but we should be aware of exactly what that procedure is: killing a human being. </p>
<p>And yes, believe me, I&#8217;m aware of the blatant hypocrisy rampant on the pro-life front; they make it difficult for people like me to argue reasonably about it, because they&#8217;re too busy screaming about God&#8217;s wrath to get a word in edgewise. :\ It is distinctly frustrating to be a rational pro-lifer. <img src='http://commentsfromleftfield.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect your position. And I agree that there is inconsistency in the pro-choice position. I think, however, that inconsistency is inherent in what is unique about pregnancy, in that even if one believes that human life begins at conception, and that prenatal human lives have a right to be born, one still has to grapple with the issue of where that prenatal human life is located. There is an inherent, unavoidable conflict of rights that is unlike any other situation in which individual rights are in conflict. The issue here is always going to be which party&#039;s rights are prioritized. When a pregnancy is planned and wanted, that conflict is less problematic, but when the pregnancy is either not wanted or not viable for whatever reason, that conflict is *very* problematic. I don&#039;t see how that inconsistency can ever be completely resolved in the context of abortion without placing one party&#039;s body rights above the other&#039;s.

Then, too, a fully principled and consistent belief that all human life is precious would have to take into account the conditions in which human life exists. It&#039;s not consistent to oppose the taking of human life across the board (other than in direct self-defense) while simultaneously opposing all or most societal efforts to feed, house, educate, and ensure access to health care for human life after birth. (I&#039;m not referring to your position here, Dynamic, as I&#039;m pretty close to certain that you would agree with this. But many people who consider themselves pro-life do not consider it part of a pro-life position to improve the quality of life for already born people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect your position. And I agree that there is inconsistency in the pro-choice position. I think, however, that inconsistency is inherent in what is unique about pregnancy, in that even if one believes that human life begins at conception, and that prenatal human lives have a right to be born, one still has to grapple with the issue of where that prenatal human life is located. There is an inherent, unavoidable conflict of rights that is unlike any other situation in which individual rights are in conflict. The issue here is always going to be which party&#8217;s rights are prioritized. When a pregnancy is planned and wanted, that conflict is less problematic, but when the pregnancy is either not wanted or not viable for whatever reason, that conflict is *very* problematic. I don&#8217;t see how that inconsistency can ever be completely resolved in the context of abortion without placing one party&#8217;s body rights above the other&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Then, too, a fully principled and consistent belief that all human life is precious would have to take into account the conditions in which human life exists. It&#8217;s not consistent to oppose the taking of human life across the board (other than in direct self-defense) while simultaneously opposing all or most societal efforts to feed, house, educate, and ensure access to health care for human life after birth. (I&#8217;m not referring to your position here, Dynamic, as I&#8217;m pretty close to certain that you would agree with this. But many people who consider themselves pro-life do not consider it part of a pro-life position to improve the quality of life for already born people.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dynamic</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-and-abortion/comment-page-1#comment-44734</link>
		<dc:creator>Dynamic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the same token, once you&#039;ve accepted the premise that human life begins at conception - and this is not a radical or purely religious premise, though many take it as such - it seems just as hypocritical to be against the war but in favour of abortion. 

Obviously this is an extreme - I think that overturning a woman&#039;s right to proper medical care in the event of the necessity of an abortion is a terrible idea, because no matter how vigerously I oppose abortion I recognize that there are times when a family will be forced to choose between the life of the mother and the life of the child, and it is not our place to make that particular decision for them - but from my position about halfway between, both worldviews seem a bit inconsistent to me.


I&#039;m opposed to the war, I&#039;m opposed to abortion, I&#039;m opposed to the death penalty - pro-life across the board. Every single human life is precious. This is not a religious principle or partisan platform building; it is a simple principle that every person, I feel, can find common ground with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the same token, once you&#8217;ve accepted the premise that human life begins at conception &#8211; and this is not a radical or purely religious premise, though many take it as such &#8211; it seems just as hypocritical to be against the war but in favour of abortion. </p>
<p>Obviously this is an extreme &#8211; I think that overturning a woman&#8217;s right to proper medical care in the event of the necessity of an abortion is a terrible idea, because no matter how vigerously I oppose abortion I recognize that there are times when a family will be forced to choose between the life of the mother and the life of the child, and it is not our place to make that particular decision for them &#8211; but from my position about halfway between, both worldviews seem a bit inconsistent to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m opposed to the war, I&#8217;m opposed to abortion, I&#8217;m opposed to the death penalty &#8211; pro-life across the board. Every single human life is precious. This is not a religious principle or partisan platform building; it is a simple principle that every person, I feel, can find common ground with.</p>
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		<title>By: MarilynJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarilynJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant post. I hate the repeated use of the term &quot;born alive&quot;. The uber right tries to shade abortion as this act of murdering whole, live babies and paints anyone who is pro-choice as despicable and indifferent to human life. These are the same people that support blowing up innocent Iraqi civilians, left thousands of people to die during Katrina and could care less about social programs that would add quality to one&#039;s life. The hypocrisy is so crazy, its laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant post. I hate the repeated use of the term &#8220;born alive&#8221;. The uber right tries to shade abortion as this act of murdering whole, live babies and paints anyone who is pro-choice as despicable and indifferent to human life. These are the same people that support blowing up innocent Iraqi civilians, left thousands of people to die during Katrina and could care less about social programs that would add quality to one&#8217;s life. The hypocrisy is so crazy, its laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: ac</title>
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		<dc:creator>ac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Black Shards, In Your Eyes, Blinding &#187; The Left&#8217;s Claim to Value Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Shards, In Your Eyes, Blinding &#187; The Left&#8217;s Claim to Value Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comments From Left Field, Kathy proudly flouts the absence of this trait in her latest post, an attempt to cut Sarah Palin down for her moral beliefs, specifically her rejection of abortion. [...]</description>
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