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		<title>By: radical_Moderate</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48514</link>
		<dc:creator>radical_Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel takes &quot;great pains&quot; not to kill civilians by dropping bombs on the most densely populated strip of land on Earth? Yeah right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel takes &#8220;great pains&#8221; not to kill civilians by dropping bombs on the most densely populated strip of land on Earth? Yeah right.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48497</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamas strikes Israel with the specific intention of hurting innocent civilians. Israel takes great pains to make sure no civilians are hurt. Who has the moral high ground?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamas strikes Israel with the specific intention of hurting innocent civilians. Israel takes great pains to make sure no civilians are hurt. Who has the moral high ground?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48493</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hamas will not quit until Israel is destroyed, blockade or none, it doesn’t matter. &lt;/i&gt;

Alex, if you think Hamas has the capability to destroy Israel with untargeted rockets that are so ineffective they have killed only about 20 Israelis since the beginning of this decade, then you are the one who needs to check into an insane asylum. And no, I am not saying the killing of only 20 Israelis, or only one for that matter, by Hamas rockets, is a trivial thing. It is not. But it&#039;s not the destruction of Israel, either. Shooting rockets at Israel is a very bad thing; it violates international law, and it&#039;s a crime, but it&#039;s not going to destroy Israel. These are two separate things you&#039;re talking about.

On the other hand, Israel *does* have the capacity to destroy Gaza, and the West Bank, and everyone living in those places. I&#039;m not saying Israel is doing that, or has the intention of doing that. But it certainly could if it wanted to. And in Gaza, right now, the Palestinian population &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; at very real risk of death and/or serious physical harm due to lack of food and clean water, diseases caused by poor hygienic and sanitation conditions, lack of adequate medical care, or any at all, and of course the continuing violence.

You say you don&#039;t care about all the Palestinians who have died because &quot;All terrorists should fucking suffer, the slower the better. And that goes for anybody that supports them.&quot; Does that include children and their mothers? The elderly? Pregnant women? Many Palestinians as well as others in that region think that Israeli soldiers in the IDF are terrorists, and that Israeli civilians who support the IDF are just as bad. Maybe if you were seeing your neighborhood turned into rubble and your friends and family blown up in front of you, you would feel the same way, or at least understand the feeling. If you were pulling bodies of women and children out of the rubble of bombed buildings, and one of them was a seven-year-old child, and that child had been decapitated by the force of the bomb, how would you feel?

I&#039;m not trying to suggest such horrors justify firing rockets into Israel -- they don&#039;t. I&#039;m saying that Palestinians in Gaza are just as human as Israelis in Sderot. And I can understand why ordinary Palestinians might support Hamas fighters just as I can understand why Israelis might support what the IDF is currently doing in Gaza.

I think it&#039;s very important that we stop dehumanizing people who are living in conditions that we cannot even imagine. That goes for both sides, regardless of what political position one takes on the substantive issues involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hamas will not quit until Israel is destroyed, blockade or none, it doesn’t matter. </i></p>
<p>Alex, if you think Hamas has the capability to destroy Israel with untargeted rockets that are so ineffective they have killed only about 20 Israelis since the beginning of this decade, then you are the one who needs to check into an insane asylum. And no, I am not saying the killing of only 20 Israelis, or only one for that matter, by Hamas rockets, is a trivial thing. It is not. But it&#8217;s not the destruction of Israel, either. Shooting rockets at Israel is a very bad thing; it violates international law, and it&#8217;s a crime, but it&#8217;s not going to destroy Israel. These are two separate things you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Israel *does* have the capacity to destroy Gaza, and the West Bank, and everyone living in those places. I&#8217;m not saying Israel is doing that, or has the intention of doing that. But it certainly could if it wanted to. And in Gaza, right now, the Palestinian population <strong>is</strong> at very real risk of death and/or serious physical harm due to lack of food and clean water, diseases caused by poor hygienic and sanitation conditions, lack of adequate medical care, or any at all, and of course the continuing violence.</p>
<p>You say you don&#8217;t care about all the Palestinians who have died because &#8220;All terrorists should fucking suffer, the slower the better. And that goes for anybody that supports them.&#8221; Does that include children and their mothers? The elderly? Pregnant women? Many Palestinians as well as others in that region think that Israeli soldiers in the IDF are terrorists, and that Israeli civilians who support the IDF are just as bad. Maybe if you were seeing your neighborhood turned into rubble and your friends and family blown up in front of you, you would feel the same way, or at least understand the feeling. If you were pulling bodies of women and children out of the rubble of bombed buildings, and one of them was a seven-year-old child, and that child had been decapitated by the force of the bomb, how would you feel?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to suggest such horrors justify firing rockets into Israel &#8212; they don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m saying that Palestinians in Gaza are just as human as Israelis in Sderot. And I can understand why ordinary Palestinians might support Hamas fighters just as I can understand why Israelis might support what the IDF is currently doing in Gaza.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s very important that we stop dehumanizing people who are living in conditions that we cannot even imagine. That goes for both sides, regardless of what political position one takes on the substantive issues involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48491</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all. All terrorists should fucking suffer, the slower the better. And that goes for anybody that supports them. You&#039;d feel the same way if you knew anything of the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all. All terrorists should fucking suffer, the slower the better. And that goes for anybody that supports them. You&#8217;d feel the same way if you knew anything of the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48490</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The attitude of you troll scumfucks is part of the reason why there&#039;s no peace in Israel.  Do you even feel guilty for the deaths you&#039;re partly responsible for, you despicable fucks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attitude of you troll scumfucks is part of the reason why there&#8217;s no peace in Israel.  Do you even feel guilty for the deaths you&#8217;re partly responsible for, you despicable fucks?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48488</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question is, do you think Hamas will stop firing rockets if Israel ends the blockade? If you do, then they surely need to lock you up in an insane asylum. Hamas will not quit until Israel is destroyed, blockade or none, it doesn&#039;t matter. Read their charter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question is, do you think Hamas will stop firing rockets if Israel ends the blockade? If you do, then they surely need to lock you up in an insane asylum. Hamas will not quit until Israel is destroyed, blockade or none, it doesn&#8217;t matter. Read their charter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48483</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The self-styled  &quot;progressives&quot; need to get a dose of reality.  The rocket fire proceeded the blockade, not the other way around.  Progressives can&#039;t possibly think that Israel soaking up more and more rocket attacks helps wins the hearts and minds of Palestinians - the opposite is true ie. soaking them up encourages more attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The self-styled  &#8220;progressives&#8221; need to get a dose of reality.  The rocket fire proceeded the blockade, not the other way around.  Progressives can&#8217;t possibly think that Israel soaking up more and more rocket attacks helps wins the hearts and minds of Palestinians &#8211; the opposite is true ie. soaking them up encourages more attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48482</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;And the blockades are for security purposes, do a little reading before posting a blog.&lt;/I&gt;

And how is that working? Is Israel secure now?

Perhaps you should do a little questioning of what you read instead of accepting it at face value. Any fool can see that sealing up Gaza so no one and nothing can get get in or out is not making Israel secure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And the blockades are for security purposes, do a little reading before posting a blog.</i></p>
<p>And how is that working? Is Israel secure now?</p>
<p>Perhaps you should do a little questioning of what you read instead of accepting it at face value. Any fool can see that sealing up Gaza so no one and nothing can get get in or out is not making Israel secure.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48481</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I suppose bombs win more hearts and minds, Americandouchebag?  Fuck you.

Alex, I&#039;m sure all the tar one needs to build a road can fit in a rocket.  Fuck you, hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I suppose bombs win more hearts and minds, Americandouchebag?  Fuck you.</p>
<p>Alex, I&#8217;m sure all the tar one needs to build a road can fit in a rocket.  Fuck you, hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48480</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They cant get the raw materials needed for building roads and getting food to civilians yet somehow thousands of rockets just magically appeared in Gaza. And the blockades are for security purposes, do a little reading before posting a blog. As soon as Hamas came to power in 2005, it started firing rockets into Israel and then you simplistic liberals wonder why on earth would Israel put a blockade on Gaza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They cant get the raw materials needed for building roads and getting food to civilians yet somehow thousands of rockets just magically appeared in Gaza. And the blockades are for security purposes, do a little reading before posting a blog. As soon as Hamas came to power in 2005, it started firing rockets into Israel and then you simplistic liberals wonder why on earth would Israel put a blockade on Gaza.</p>
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		<title>By: radical_Moderate</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48478</link>
		<dc:creator>radical_Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation between the Palestinians and Israel has outraged me for years, but despite the growing outrage of more moderate people around the world, the USA&#039;s policy in the region remains calcified around the trite proclaimation that &quot;Isreal has a right to defend itself.&quot; Bwah humbug I say. Sadly, and I hope that I am wrong in view of Obama&#039;s friendship with Professor Khalidi, I don&#039;t believe that our bias toward Israel will change much with the incoming administration; the Israeli Lobby in this country is far too powerful, and any person that points this salient fact out is immediately called a &quot;anti-semite&quot; and is effectively shut down. I am happy to think that fewer Americans are buying the propaganda on the issue that has been doled out to us in the last 40 years, sadly our Politicians choose to ignore this sea change in opinion. Add to tour blind support of Israel a possible election victory for Likkud in the next election, and the situation in the region will remain dire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation between the Palestinians and Israel has outraged me for years, but despite the growing outrage of more moderate people around the world, the USA&#8217;s policy in the region remains calcified around the trite proclaimation that &#8220;Isreal has a right to defend itself.&#8221; Bwah humbug I say. Sadly, and I hope that I am wrong in view of Obama&#8217;s friendship with Professor Khalidi, I don&#8217;t believe that our bias toward Israel will change much with the incoming administration; the Israeli Lobby in this country is far too powerful, and any person that points this salient fact out is immediately called a &#8220;anti-semite&#8221; and is effectively shut down. I am happy to think that fewer Americans are buying the propaganda on the issue that has been doled out to us in the last 40 years, sadly our Politicians choose to ignore this sea change in opinion. Add to tour blind support of Israel a possible election victory for Likkud in the next election, and the situation in the region will remain dire.</p>
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		<title>By: Americaneocon</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48477</link>
		<dc:creator>Americaneocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go on the conclusion ... sure to win hearts and minds that way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go on the conclusion &#8230; sure to win hearts and minds that way!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/honesty-and-peace-they-go-hand-in-hand-and-without-one/comment-page-1#comment-48475</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to be ignorant not just of history but of current events. How can Hamas build roads and schools when none of the raw materials that are needed to build roads and schools can get past the IDF at the border crossings? Every single sector of the Palestinian economy is being strangled to death: construction, fishing (Palestinians who go out in small boats on the ocean are arrested and imprisoned), agriculture (Israel controls all the water sources, parts for farm machinery and items like fertilizer cannot get past the blockade), Palestinians cannot sell the products of their labor, and they can&#039;t cross the border to work in Israel. Unemployment in Gaza right now is hovering around 50%. And all this has been going on since Hamas won, fair and square, in internationally monitored democratic elections. That&#039;s over two years now. This IS a form of genocide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be ignorant not just of history but of current events. How can Hamas build roads and schools when none of the raw materials that are needed to build roads and schools can get past the IDF at the border crossings? Every single sector of the Palestinian economy is being strangled to death: construction, fishing (Palestinians who go out in small boats on the ocean are arrested and imprisoned), agriculture (Israel controls all the water sources, parts for farm machinery and items like fertilizer cannot get past the blockade), Palestinians cannot sell the products of their labor, and they can&#8217;t cross the border to work in Israel. Unemployment in Gaza right now is hovering around 50%. And all this has been going on since Hamas won, fair and square, in internationally monitored democratic elections. That&#8217;s over two years now. This IS a form of genocide.</p>
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