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		<title>By: Douglas Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48568</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dershowitz is a lying pig.  I wonder if he is aware that Harvard Law School is funded by a huge foundation grant from the fascist Jewish, ex-Cuban mafia in Miami?  Ah, no he is probably unaware of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dershowitz is a lying pig.  I wonder if he is aware that Harvard Law School is funded by a huge foundation grant from the fascist Jewish, ex-Cuban mafia in Miami?  Ah, no he is probably unaware of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48492</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blockade was put up in response to the election results. But either way, it&#039;s unjustified and illegal. Starving 1.5 million Palestinians because Hamas militants are shooting rockets into Israel is collective punishment, and that is a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Besides, it doesn&#039;t even make sense. How does the blockade stop Hamas from firing rockets? Obviously, it doesn&#039;t, or we would not be having this discussion right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blockade was put up in response to the election results. But either way, it&#8217;s unjustified and illegal. Starving 1.5 million Palestinians because Hamas militants are shooting rockets into Israel is collective punishment, and that is a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Besides, it doesn&#8217;t even make sense. How does the blockade stop Hamas from firing rockets? Obviously, it doesn&#8217;t, or we would not be having this discussion right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48487</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blockade was only put up in response to Hamas&#039; firing of rockets into Israel. If you&#039;re going to peel off the layers, don&#039;t  stop halfway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blockade was only put up in response to Hamas&#8217; firing of rockets into Israel. If you&#8217;re going to peel off the layers, don&#8217;t  stop halfway.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48485</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But they all start crying the moment Israel retaliates against an internationally recognized act of war.&lt;/i&gt;

Alex, a blockade is an internationally recognized act of war, too. And the Israeli blockade of Gaza has been in place for *over two years.*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But they all start crying the moment Israel retaliates against an internationally recognized act of war.</i></p>
<p>Alex, a blockade is an internationally recognized act of war, too. And the Israeli blockade of Gaza has been in place for *over two years.*</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48484</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So just curious, but what would your position be on targeted ground offensives then?&lt;/i&gt;

Ground troops would be better than bombing -- obviously, ground troops have more targeting control, although they can also act like Huns if they want to.

However, coming now, after more than 400 Palestinians have been killed by air strikes, a ground offensive is just going to add to the misery. Plus, the larger point, in my view, is that any military solution is doomed to failure. I don&#039;t believe there is any military solution to this conflict. The only hope for a solution is political.

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Also, given that Gaza is sealed shut, a ground offensive would have disastrous consequences, even if in other circumstances it might be justified. Remember, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip cannot flee from a ground offensive, or from any type of military action. They&#039;ve got nowhere to go. They&#039;re trapped in what is essentially one large prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So just curious, but what would your position be on targeted ground offensives then?</i></p>
<p>Ground troops would be better than bombing &#8212; obviously, ground troops have more targeting control, although they can also act like Huns if they want to.</p>
<p>However, coming now, after more than 400 Palestinians have been killed by air strikes, a ground offensive is just going to add to the misery. Plus, the larger point, in my view, is that any military solution is doomed to failure. I don&#8217;t believe there is any military solution to this conflict. The only hope for a solution is political.</p>
<p>Just Added:</p>
<p>Also, given that Gaza is sealed shut, a ground offensive would have disastrous consequences, even if in other circumstances it might be justified. Remember, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip cannot flee from a ground offensive, or from any type of military action. They&#8217;ve got nowhere to go. They&#8217;re trapped in what is essentially one large prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how these unenlightened, simplistic viewed, liberals said not one word of protest against Hamas after it broke it&#039;s ceasefire and was lobbing missiles daily into Israel. But they all start crying the moment Israel retaliates against an internationally recognized act of war. And the fact that Gaza is a densely populated area shouldn&#039;t stop anybody from retaliating. By your reasoning, Israel should just allow Gaza to continue firing rockets and killing and wounding it&#039;s civilians. Hamas was elected by the Gazans. The Gazans protect Hamas. They all made their bed. And now the IDF will blow it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how these unenlightened, simplistic viewed, liberals said not one word of protest against Hamas after it broke it&#8217;s ceasefire and was lobbing missiles daily into Israel. But they all start crying the moment Israel retaliates against an internationally recognized act of war. And the fact that Gaza is a densely populated area shouldn&#8217;t stop anybody from retaliating. By your reasoning, Israel should just allow Gaza to continue firing rockets and killing and wounding it&#8217;s civilians. Hamas was elected by the Gazans. The Gazans protect Hamas. They all made their bed. And now the IDF will blow it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So just curious, but what would your position be on targeted ground offensives then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So just curious, but what would your position be on targeted ground offensives then?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48474</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Here is a reason-based argument.

Given the fact that the IDF is bombing a densely populated urban civilian area where it&#039;s impossible NOT to kill civilians with the warfare method the IDF is using (air strikes with 2,000-pound bombs), coming here and telling us that the IDF does not target civilians is disingenuous at best and depraved at worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Here is a reason-based argument.</p>
<p>Given the fact that the IDF is bombing a densely populated urban civilian area where it&#8217;s impossible NOT to kill civilians with the warfare method the IDF is using (air strikes with 2,000-pound bombs), coming here and telling us that the IDF does not target civilians is disingenuous at best and depraved at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48473</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dave,

No really.  &lt;i&gt;Seriously&lt;/i&gt;.  Fuck you.

Sincerely,
Still Your Mom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dave,</p>
<p>No really.  <i>Seriously</i>.  Fuck you.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Still Your Mom</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/01/the-alan-dershowitz-fairy-tale-hour/comment-page-1#comment-48472</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I was wondering how long it would take before Godwin&#039;s Law was invoked.  Look, you still haven&#039;t actually responded to the argument, and before you do, you won&#039;t be able to win the argument.  Sorry, but we don&#039;t all KNOW what you presume Israel to do; obviously, that&#039;s why we disagree--and that&#039;s why we have arguments with things like reasoning and evidence.  Shouting profanities won&#039;t cut it--that only works in mob scenes.  Fortunately for you and the Islamist political party you support, a mob scene is where it all begins.  The legitimate actions of the Israeli military continually ensure that this that&#039;s not where it all ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I was wondering how long it would take before Godwin&#8217;s Law was invoked.  Look, you still haven&#8217;t actually responded to the argument, and before you do, you won&#8217;t be able to win the argument.  Sorry, but we don&#8217;t all KNOW what you presume Israel to do; obviously, that&#8217;s why we disagree&#8211;and that&#8217;s why we have arguments with things like reasoning and evidence.  Shouting profanities won&#8217;t cut it&#8211;that only works in mob scenes.  Fortunately for you and the Islamist political party you support, a mob scene is where it all begins.  The legitimate actions of the Israeli military continually ensure that this that&#8217;s not where it all ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
   
   Why do you come here and spread your lies.  In fact we all know that: Israel does KNOWINGLY, intentionally do so(target civilians), when they know conclusively that civilians are in the way.  Most of us have seen it with our own eyes such as when reporters are targeted and killed by tanks,  people are killed at the beach or civilian airliners are shot down.  If you respond to the taking of two soldiers taken prisoner or killed, with a wholesale attack not only on your enemy, but embedded civilians.  Killing thousands of civilians, making others homeless and destroying civilian infrastructure is a crime.  We have seen the intentional attacks.  We have heard the lies.  The world will judge this Israeli regime criminal just as the Nazi&#039;s were judged as soon as the US is no longer able to provide the support needed to commit these crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>   Why do you come here and spread your lies.  In fact we all know that: Israel does KNOWINGLY, intentionally do so(target civilians), when they know conclusively that civilians are in the way.  Most of us have seen it with our own eyes such as when reporters are targeted and killed by tanks,  people are killed at the beach or civilian airliners are shot down.  If you respond to the taking of two soldiers taken prisoner or killed, with a wholesale attack not only on your enemy, but embedded civilians.  Killing thousands of civilians, making others homeless and destroying civilian infrastructure is a crime.  We have seen the intentional attacks.  We have heard the lies.  The world will judge this Israeli regime criminal just as the Nazi&#8217;s were judged as soon as the US is no longer able to provide the support needed to commit these crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dave,

Fuck you.

Sincerely,
Your Mom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dave,</p>
<p>Fuck you.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Your Mom</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  With the outright arrogance and immaturity of the titling of the site and of the lede to this post, you&#039;ve embarrassed yourself by attacking Dershowitz&#039;s arguments on these grounds.  

The first point, that Dershowitz somehow drew an arbitrary distinction between the morality of Israeli and Palestinian children signing missiles is false to anyone who read the article.  Dershowitz was making a clear point: Israeli Defense Forces GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to prevent munitions from hitting innocent targets, even to the danger of their troops and to the diminution of their mission.  Hamas deliberately targets Israelis civilians.  That, in essence, is their mission.

The second point, that he is somehow childishly naive for saying that Israel would not fire at a home with civilians in it, is typically linked to the types of garish images that Hamas banks on and hopes for when it offers its entire civilian population for martyrdom.  However, the implication that Dershowitz is naive for saying so misses the essence of the argument: Israel does not KNOWINGLY, intentionally do so, when they know conclusively that civilians are in the way.  Dershowitz raises the examples of Israel notifying potential targets because it is so absurdly unprecedented, and such a clear example of the chasm between the moral imperatives of the two parties in this conflict.

But for all your bravado and condescension, I guess the obvious point of his well-reasoned, well-argued, subtle, and powerful argument was lost on you, so you had to resort to knocking down a straw man.  Next time, aim for the actual target, which for the IDF as well as polemicists and propagandists (such as yourself), is much more effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  With the outright arrogance and immaturity of the titling of the site and of the lede to this post, you&#8217;ve embarrassed yourself by attacking Dershowitz&#8217;s arguments on these grounds.  </p>
<p>The first point, that Dershowitz somehow drew an arbitrary distinction between the morality of Israeli and Palestinian children signing missiles is false to anyone who read the article.  Dershowitz was making a clear point: Israeli Defense Forces GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to prevent munitions from hitting innocent targets, even to the danger of their troops and to the diminution of their mission.  Hamas deliberately targets Israelis civilians.  That, in essence, is their mission.</p>
<p>The second point, that he is somehow childishly naive for saying that Israel would not fire at a home with civilians in it, is typically linked to the types of garish images that Hamas banks on and hopes for when it offers its entire civilian population for martyrdom.  However, the implication that Dershowitz is naive for saying so misses the essence of the argument: Israel does not KNOWINGLY, intentionally do so, when they know conclusively that civilians are in the way.  Dershowitz raises the examples of Israel notifying potential targets because it is so absurdly unprecedented, and such a clear example of the chasm between the moral imperatives of the two parties in this conflict.</p>
<p>But for all your bravado and condescension, I guess the obvious point of his well-reasoned, well-argued, subtle, and powerful argument was lost on you, so you had to resort to knocking down a straw man.  Next time, aim for the actual target, which for the IDF as well as polemicists and propagandists (such as yourself), is much more effective.</p>
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