And Pablo was clever enough not to fall into it. Gotta give him credit for that.

Who, like Jackie Kennedy and Virginia Woolf, is dead. Unlike your argument, which seems never to have drawn breath. Let me know if and when it’s born, won’t you?

Kyle, you are one graceful dude. I just wanted to make sure someone said that.

As our new visitors may or may not have the grace to have noticed, despite what we at CFLF think of anyone’s opinions, most opinions are free to be posted here without fear of retribution, banning, etc (much to the chagrin of some of our staff). There are quite a few sites that would have scrubbed this entire thread long ago, but we don’t out of some strange attachment to free speech and letting people have their say.

There are things that will not be tolerated. Personal threats and a lack of respect for the anonymity of those authors here who choose to remain anonymous will result in the immediate scrubbing of all of your comments and your being banned from further contributions at this site.

Just because I don’t write here anymore that doesn’t mean I don’t still pay attention, and I have no tolerance for those who cross the already spare lines of decency I like to have maintained for our authors.

You have been warned.

Pablo, you don’t disappoint. Thanks for the lead-in.

I am going to list some well-known people here, from various fields. I want you to tell me which ones are self-reliant, and which ones are not:

Mike Wallace
Sally Jesse Raphael
Rob Thomas
Jean-Claude Van Damme
George W. Bush
Buzz Aldrin
J.K. Rowling
Rush Limbaugh
Jackie Kennedy
Virginia Woolf
William Kristol
Joe the Plumber

Take your time.

Anyone? Bueller?

I repeat: You do not have the first clue what it means to be self-reliant. Well… maybe the first clue. But you’ve got a long way to go before you have a full understanding.

I suspect that you don’t understand what self-reliance is, given that you seem to think you can attain it on welfare.

You haven’t read this thread, have you? Your side has nothing but offered baseless assumptions and several gallons of whine of the “He hit me back first!” varietal. Direct requests for specific criticism in responses to a “That’s totally icky, right?” post generate nothing but insults from your compatriots.

You haven’t improved their record of making any actual argument. Would you like to start? Or are you good with the class clown act?

Pablo, you just prove my point. You have only the most superficial and shallow idea of what it means to be self-reliant. Leaving home at 17 and being “head of household” for 25 years does not necessarily mean you’re self-reliant.

I repeat: You do not have the first clue what it means to be self-reliant. Well… maybe the first clue. But you’ve got a long way to go before you have a full understanding.

You must be proud to have a leader who so quickly turns to empty physical threats and attacking people’s anonymity.

I fixed it for you.

JG cant and wont do shit. He is the poster child for impotent rage.

Longer B Moe (hard to do a shorter with such simplistic thoughts): Goo Gooo Gaaaaaah … me no make no sense … Guuuu … aaaaahhhh.

Of course not. You don’t need to do a background check to just make shit up, now do you?