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		<title>By: Booogie-Mann</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/04/moral-relativism-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-51200</link>
		<dc:creator>Booogie-Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, knowing Harman&#039;s conversation is not a crime, and that NYT did not talk to Harman, how did Gonzales Blackmail her?  Maybe Harman was FOR the program all along and didn&#039;t need Gonzales to convince her of anything.  

You state above that there are 2 parts to the scandal.   Apparently there&#039;s no evidence to support either ... so where&#039;s the Moral Reletavism??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, knowing Harman&#8217;s conversation is not a crime, and that NYT did not talk to Harman, how did Gonzales Blackmail her?  Maybe Harman was FOR the program all along and didn&#8217;t need Gonzales to convince her of anything.  </p>
<p>You state above that there are 2 parts to the scandal.   Apparently there&#8217;s no evidence to support either &#8230; so where&#8217;s the Moral Reletavism??</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/04/moral-relativism-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-51197</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Harmon’s talk with the Israeli agent was not a crime.&lt;/i&gt;

You are arguing this point with yourself, though, because nobody else has said or suggested that Harman&#039;s talk with the Israeli agent was a crime. 

So. Next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Harmon’s talk with the Israeli agent was not a crime.</i></p>
<p>You are arguing this point with yourself, though, because nobody else has said or suggested that Harman&#8217;s talk with the Israeli agent was a crime. </p>
<p>So. Next?</p>
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		<title>By: Booogie-Mann</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/04/moral-relativism-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-51192</link>
		<dc:creator>Booogie-Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s difficult Kathy, but think outside of the box here.  You have to dismiss everything by everybody else, issues as legitimate as yours ..  to focus on your 1 point, which you admit the NYT now says did not happen.  Harmon&#039;s talk with the Israeli agent was not a crime.

This is not critical thinking, just a pure partisan way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s difficult Kathy, but think outside of the box here.  You have to dismiss everything by everybody else, issues as legitimate as yours ..  to focus on your 1 point, which you admit the NYT now says did not happen.  Harmon&#8217;s talk with the Israeli agent was not a crime.</p>
<p>This is not critical thinking, just a pure partisan way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Had Gonzales prosecuted Harman at the time (a very rich, powerful, jewish Democrat elected to multiple terms) do you deny the outrage which would have come from the Left and Democrats??&lt;/i&gt;

The prosecution of Harman (which never happened, btw, because Gonzales stopped it before it could start) is not the point. The legitimacy of the DOJ&#039;s reasons for wanting to prosecute Harman are not the issue. The issue is that, whatever the merits of that prosecution, it was stopped by Alberto Gonzales for nakedly partisan reasons -- namely, Gonzales&#039;s desire for Harman to publicly defend the NSA warrantless surveillance program when the NYT broke the news that that program existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Had Gonzales prosecuted Harman at the time (a very rich, powerful, jewish Democrat elected to multiple terms) do you deny the outrage which would have come from the Left and Democrats??</i></p>
<p>The prosecution of Harman (which never happened, btw, because Gonzales stopped it before it could start) is not the point. The legitimacy of the DOJ&#8217;s reasons for wanting to prosecute Harman are not the issue. The issue is that, whatever the merits of that prosecution, it was stopped by Alberto Gonzales for nakedly partisan reasons &#8212; namely, Gonzales&#8217;s desire for Harman to publicly defend the NSA warrantless surveillance program when the NYT broke the news that that program existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Booogie-Mann</title>
		<link>http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/04/moral-relativism-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-51181</link>
		<dc:creator>Booogie-Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..... and speaking of &quot;Moral Relativism&quot;  ... knowing that Tony Rezko (close associate to Obama, convicted and in jail) bought land as part of a deal that allowed Obama to afford his house, gave him tons of money and raised even more for Barack  ... what do you think the quid pro quo was here Kathy??  Resko certainly was a dealer ... what do you think he wanted from Obama in exchange for helping Obama with his house and all that Campaign Money??

Clearly you won&#039;t give Gonzales the benefit of the doubt in the preceding ... what about Obama in the Rezko case??  Does Obama get the benefit of your doubt??

http://www.newsweek.com/id/117851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.. and speaking of &#8220;Moral Relativism&#8221;  &#8230; knowing that Tony Rezko (close associate to Obama, convicted and in jail) bought land as part of a deal that allowed Obama to afford his house, gave him tons of money and raised even more for Barack  &#8230; what do you think the quid pro quo was here Kathy??  Resko certainly was a dealer &#8230; what do you think he wanted from Obama in exchange for helping Obama with his house and all that Campaign Money??</p>
<p>Clearly you won&#8217;t give Gonzales the benefit of the doubt in the preceding &#8230; what about Obama in the Rezko case??  Does Obama get the benefit of your doubt??</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/117851" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/117851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Booogie-Mann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Booogie-Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Strata does make a point here Kathy:  Had Gonzales prosecuted Harman at the time (a very rich, powerful, jewish Democrat elected to multiple terms) do you deny the outrage which would have come from the Left and Democrats??  How would this story have played back then in the Media??  Headline:  &quot;Bush Dragnet targets Democrats, spies on American Citizens&quot; or &quot;Bush targets Democrat with Illegal Wiretap&quot;.

... at the time I&#039;m guessing you woulda been happy that Gonzales stopped the investigation into Harman ... she was not the Target in this case, and the quid pro quo offered was anything but illegal ... just common practice in DC Politics.  What did she do that was illegal Kathy?? ... So why would they start wiretapping Harman??  If they did, would you be angry at that and call the wiretapping illegal, yea, that&#039;s it!!  Seems maybe you want it both way&#039;s here??  There is no allegation that she helped the convicted Israeli spies, maybe she did, but there is no evidence nor indication yet.  Her background certainly ties her to Israel.

Given the recent Blago fiasco and all we&#039;ve learned about ethics ... if some monetary quid pro quo had been offered, clearly this activity would be criminal.  In this case the Israeli Agent just offered to LOBBY for Harmon, something NOT illegal but clearly one has to wonder where Harman&#039;s loyalties lie ... Congress has always been a gaping hole for Intelligence leaks.

So did Gonzales blackmail her??  I&#039;m guessing that&#039;s your main point here ... well one could argue that he did, but now NYT denies talking to her, perhaps negating the &quot;blackmail&quot; allegation ... on the other hand had he let the prosecution continue wouldn&#039;t there have been a huge anti-Bush/Gonzales up swell anyway??  Seems like a no win situation here in your mind for Gonzales.  If these facts are correct, Harman should have just let the chips fall where they may, knowing she did nothing illegal.

Interesting Story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Strata does make a point here Kathy:  Had Gonzales prosecuted Harman at the time (a very rich, powerful, jewish Democrat elected to multiple terms) do you deny the outrage which would have come from the Left and Democrats??  How would this story have played back then in the Media??  Headline:  &#8220;Bush Dragnet targets Democrats, spies on American Citizens&#8221; or &#8220;Bush targets Democrat with Illegal Wiretap&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8230; at the time I&#8217;m guessing you woulda been happy that Gonzales stopped the investigation into Harman &#8230; she was not the Target in this case, and the quid pro quo offered was anything but illegal &#8230; just common practice in DC Politics.  What did she do that was illegal Kathy?? &#8230; So why would they start wiretapping Harman??  If they did, would you be angry at that and call the wiretapping illegal, yea, that&#8217;s it!!  Seems maybe you want it both way&#8217;s here??  There is no allegation that she helped the convicted Israeli spies, maybe she did, but there is no evidence nor indication yet.  Her background certainly ties her to Israel.</p>
<p>Given the recent Blago fiasco and all we&#8217;ve learned about ethics &#8230; if some monetary quid pro quo had been offered, clearly this activity would be criminal.  In this case the Israeli Agent just offered to LOBBY for Harmon, something NOT illegal but clearly one has to wonder where Harman&#8217;s loyalties lie &#8230; Congress has always been a gaping hole for Intelligence leaks.</p>
<p>So did Gonzales blackmail her??  I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s your main point here &#8230; well one could argue that he did, but now NYT denies talking to her, perhaps negating the &#8220;blackmail&#8221; allegation &#8230; on the other hand had he let the prosecution continue wouldn&#8217;t there have been a huge anti-Bush/Gonzales up swell anyway??  Seems like a no win situation here in your mind for Gonzales.  If these facts are correct, Harman should have just let the chips fall where they may, knowing she did nothing illegal.</p>
<p>Interesting Story.</p>
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		<title>By: smintheus</title>
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		<dc:creator>smintheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donklephant&#039;s &quot;lucid&quot; summary is simply wrong in assuming that the NSA wiretap was warrantless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donklephant&#8217;s &#8220;lucid&#8221; summary is simply wrong in assuming that the NSA wiretap was warrantless.</p>
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