Comments on: Getting Down to Basic Truths http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/05/getting-down-to-basic-truths Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:39:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Booogie-Mann http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/05/getting-down-to-basic-truths/comment-page-1#comment-51849 Booogie-Mann Sat, 30 May 2009 23:57:23 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=8584#comment-51849 Wasn't any Judicial Activism here tas, the Bush Administration and the CIA devised the whole interrogation program. Congress approved the plan via the 2006 Military Commissions Act after the Supreme Court injected itself. So the process of making Law was followed in this case, Congress passed laws and the Supreme Court reviewed the laws. In 2000 the Supreme Court ruled that voting rules cannot be changed AFTER the fact ... which is what Gore and Co. were trying to do to get more votes. Gore wanted to change how ballots were counted, allow dimpled ballots and "interpretive voting" where some boxes were left blank. Gore also pushed to have Military votes thrown out. I admit the whole thing was a mess, it was indeed very close, but not a single recount put Gore ahead of Bush. Those are the facts. The Supreme court ruled quite wisely in my view, to NOT allow Gore to change the rules AFTER the vote. Go read the Court opinion. Wasn’t any Judicial Activism here tas, the Bush Administration and the CIA devised the whole interrogation program. Congress approved the plan via the 2006 Military Commissions Act after the Supreme Court injected itself. So the process of making Law was followed in this case, Congress passed laws and the Supreme Court reviewed the laws.

In 2000 the Supreme Court ruled that voting rules cannot be changed AFTER the fact … which is what Gore and Co. were trying to do to get more votes. Gore wanted to change how ballots were counted, allow dimpled ballots and “interpretive voting” where some boxes were left blank. Gore also pushed to have Military votes thrown out. I admit the whole thing was a mess, it was indeed very close, but not a single recount put Gore ahead of Bush. Those are the facts. The Supreme court ruled quite wisely in my view, to NOT allow Gore to change the rules AFTER the vote. Go read the Court opinion.

]]> By: tas http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/05/getting-down-to-basic-truths/comment-page-1#comment-51846 tas Sat, 30 May 2009 14:33:08 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=8584#comment-51846 They're OK with "judicial activism" as long as it comes from their side, like the 2000 election decision. They’re OK with “judicial activism” as long as it comes from their side, like the 2000 election decision.

]]> By: Jack Jodell http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/05/getting-down-to-basic-truths/comment-page-1#comment-51845 Jack Jodell Sat, 30 May 2009 12:57:54 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=8584#comment-51845 Boogie-Mann, I think you've been sniffing Depends. Domestic and international courts have established many times over that waterboarding IS torture. That is not my opinion; that is FACT. LEGAL PRECEDENT, set time and again. UNDENIABLE fact. When the courts have decided, MANY of them, that is law set into stone. You conservatives love to complain about legislating from the bench. Do you prefer to have your legislation come from a twisted Justice Department at a twisted Vice President's urging? Or are you content, as you should be, to have your legislation come from Congress and then be reaffirmed in the courts, as it should be and is? Boogie-Mann, I think you’ve been sniffing Depends. Domestic and international courts have established many times over that waterboarding IS torture. That is not my opinion; that is FACT. LEGAL PRECEDENT, set time and again. UNDENIABLE fact. When the courts have decided, MANY of them, that is law set into stone. You conservatives love to complain about legislating from the bench. Do you prefer to have your legislation come from a twisted Justice Department at a twisted Vice President’s urging? Or are you content, as you should be, to have your legislation come from Congress and then be reaffirmed in the courts, as it should be and is?

]]> By: Booogie-Mann http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/05/getting-down-to-basic-truths/comment-page-1#comment-51841 Booogie-Mann Sat, 30 May 2009 08:52:38 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=8584#comment-51841 Jack, you spin more than a Major League curve ball and stink like used Depends. In all your posts here you've provided not one fact nor insight ... just your own pathetic, hallucinogenic view of Conservative thought. You guys got taken by prankster Mancow!! So eager to report any Conservative who thinks waterboarding is torture ... to bolster your view .... but even Eric Holder could not define SERE waterboarding as torture while under oath. Get over the revenge tactics and let's move on. Jack, you spin more than a Major League curve ball and stink like used Depends. In all your posts here you’ve provided not one fact nor insight … just your own pathetic, hallucinogenic view of Conservative thought.

You guys got taken by prankster Mancow!! So eager to report any Conservative who thinks waterboarding is torture … to bolster your view …. but even Eric Holder could not define SERE waterboarding as torture while under oath. Get over the revenge tactics and let’s move on.

]]> By: Jack Jodell http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2009/05/getting-down-to-basic-truths/comment-page-1#comment-51834 Jack Jodell Sat, 30 May 2009 04:15:39 +0000 http://commentsfromleftfield.com/?p=8584#comment-51834 Let's face it, Kathy. Today's far-right conservatives are radical reactionaries and fanatical extremists. They are paranoids who see and/or manufacture things that aren't really there. Truth and fact mean nothing to them, as they don't analyze or reason as normal, intelligent people do. The reactionary mind is so closed and rigidly doctrinaire it can only accept that which agrees with it completely or reinforces its own preconceived notions. When presented with opposing evidence, it either goes into complete denial and then attack mode, or it manufactures spin to justify its position. The validity of the spin, of course, does not matter in the least, so long as it can serve as an "answer" to the opposing viewpoint. Modern conservatism is a form of delusional mental illness. It has next to nothing in common with the genuine conservatism of say, Goldwater or Reagan. Let’s face it, Kathy. Today’s far-right conservatives are radical reactionaries and fanatical extremists. They are paranoids who see and/or manufacture things that aren’t really there. Truth and fact mean nothing to them, as they don’t analyze or reason as normal, intelligent people do. The reactionary mind is so closed and rigidly doctrinaire it can only accept that which agrees with it completely or reinforces its own preconceived notions. When presented with opposing evidence, it either goes into complete denial and then attack mode, or it manufactures spin to justify its position. The validity of the spin, of course, does not matter in the least, so long as it can serve as an “answer” to the opposing viewpoint. Modern conservatism is a form of delusional mental illness. It has next to nothing in common with the genuine conservatism of say, Goldwater or Reagan.

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