She Had a Bad Day

Condi Rice has been breathing the rarefied air inside that bubble she’s been living in for the past eight years. She got pwned on torture earlier this week by a student at Stanford — and she made an admission that she may live to regret if we ever see prosecutions:


Scott Horton calls it a “train wreck,” and it sure is. She is clearly not used to being challenged so directly and forcefully about the Bush administration’s policies — and in her intense focus on defending herself, she says a lot of things that are just not true. Horton — who for anyone who doesn’t know, is a lawyer and an expert in constitutional issues who teaches at Columbia University and writes a column at Harper’s — gives us the facts.

(1) She perpetuates the Abu Ghraib myth (“Abu Ghraib was not policy”), even as the Senate Armed Services Committee report demolishes it. …

(2) In Condiworld, the threat of Al Qaeda was greater than the threat faced by the United States in World War II, as demonstrated by the 9/11 attacks. This suggestion demonstrates an astonishing failure of reasoned judgment. U.S. fatalities in World War II totaled 405,400. The student’s point was that in the face of what might legitimately be termed an existential threat (World War II), the American government did not turn to torture. That’s correct, and Rice doesn’t seem able to come to grips with it.

(3) Rice insists that no one was tortured at Guantánamo. She cites an OSCE report that called it a “model medium security prison.” But, as the report’s author stressed, this was a characterization of the physical facility. How about the treatment of the prisoners? On that score, the OSCE had a different conclusion: it was “mental torture.” The Red Cross did complete two studies of detainees at Guantánamo, and Condi’s characterization of them is false. The first report concluded that the treatment of prisoners, particularly isolation treatment, was “tantamount to torture.” The second examined the use of the Bush Program and concluded it was “torture,” no qualifications. Rice was furnished copies of these reports. Did she take the time to read them?

(4) Rice claims that the Bush Administration’s efforts to try the Guantánamo prisoners were blocked by the Supreme Court. In fact, the years of delay in bringing charges resulted from the Bush Administration’s own policies. The Supreme Court concluded that the jury-rigged military commissions system the Bush Administration put in place without Congressional authority violated Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions—the view that the overwhelming majority of legal authorities in the United States advanced. Had the Bush Administration followed the recommendation of career military lawyers and proceeded to military commissions based on the U.S. court-martial system, no Supreme Court review would have been necessary. …

(5) Rice insists that waterboarding is not torture. Why? Rice pulls a Nixon. It was not torture because the president authorized it. In Condiworld, apparently, “when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.” What lawyer was advising Rice through this process? That’s a pressing question–the Senate Intelligence Committee suggests that legal counsel at the National Security Council was guiding her at every step–and evidently giving her some very peculiar ideas about the law.

(6) Whereas the Senate Intelligence Committee’s summary shows Rice giving authorization for waterboarding, Rice has a different recollection. “I didn’t authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency.” This is dicing things very finely. But I think I know how Judge Garzón will understand this: Rice just confessed to a focal role in a joint criminal enterprise. …

Horton grades Rice’s conversation with the student 6 to 0 (in favor of the student). And he adds — quite appropriately, I think, given Rice’s insufferably patronizing instruction to the student to “do your homework” — “Rice needs to do some homework before her next appearance on campus. But first perhaps she’d better hire a good lawyer.”

9 Responses to “She Had a Bad Day”

  1. PirateRo says:

    She was FLAT WRONG.

    She’s been wrong the whole time. She was shown to be wrong by a STUDENT. And the entire response for her in the end was “we were told it was legal”.


    IT IS DEMANDED!!!!!1

  2. Booogie-Mann says:

    Condi handled the antagonistic questioning by these 2 little weenies well … with dignity and respect like she always does. Little punk thinks he knows everything but got a lesson from Condi I’m surprised these Liberals didn’t try to throw a pie in her face … seems to be their typical approach to interacting with Conservatives … pie’s and banners!! So much for open-mindedness … Geez, how hostile are Campus’s these days!!

    Funny how some people take this so-called torture so close to heart, act like they are all outraged … yet have no experience with War, nor how to handle truly evil people, no clue. I really doubt this little weenie feels the same outrage about 9/11, never did … probably thinks its our fault …. I bet this little punk would not be so brave in Iraq, Iran, or N. Korea .. would not dare ask these types of questions to those leaders about Human Rights, he’d just pipe down quietly like a little sheep.

    Meanwhile Obama’s taken over GM, Citibank … taking back most of his so-called tax rebate ($13/wk) and not a single word is spoken about his policy on sites like this … sad …

  3. Jack Jodell says:

    Whoever gave Rice that Doctorate tagged to her name ought to have their certification yanked permanently. That woman is dumber than a box of rocks for having brown-nosed Bush as she did for all those years and for helping implement his disastrously stupid foreign policy. Those students questioning her were far smarter than she. Let’s face it: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Ashcroft, Gonzales, and many other underlings in that corrupt Bush administration were all war criminals and should be tried, convicted, and punished just like those at Nuremberg were.

  4. Booogie-Mann says:

    Comments from Left Field: “Loaning brain cells to those in need since 2003” … explains the dumbness here … all your brain cells have been loaned out !!

  5. Jordan says:

    3 guys.

    You guys are whining about 3 guys who planned the 9/11 attacks.

    You guys are whining about 3 guys who don’t give a crap if your morality is offended… they’re too busy trying to subvert every ideal you have through the use of mass murder and REAL torture.

    Take off the panties. Wear boxers. Grab an intellectual gun and defend your damn country.

  6. tas says:

    I’m surprised that Jordan could respond over the sound of his own furious masturbation to torture. “Oh, remove those terrorist panties!” fapfapfap “Oh oh oh!”

  7. Booogie-Mann says:

    tas: …. proving once again that he’s been loaning out Brain Cells well, well before 2003 …


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